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Seems to be some chatter about an AD in waiting being brought on later this year. Who are the candidates?

What about Mark Herrmann, Pete Quinn, Brian Cardinal, or maybe even Brock Spack?
 
Quinn would make sense. Isnt Cardinal doing something with a sport promotion outfit right now.

No to the other two.

Bring in the guy from Xavier. He was at Purdue at one time and cut his teeth at BGSU.
 
New Pal Boiler said:
Seems to be some chatter about an AD in waiting being brought on later this year. Who are the candidates?

What about Mark Herrmann, Pete Quinn, Brian Cardinal, or maybe even Brock Spack?
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In this day in age it helps to have someone with a legal background or experience running a corporation. Brian Cardinal is in the JPC now working. More of an ambassador. Greg Christopher at Xavier will be mentioned. Worked under Burke. MB 2.0. I like this Whitman guy who played at IL, current AD at Wash U in St. Louis. Candidate for Illinois job.

Purdue ties are not necessary for me.
 
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Inspector100 said:
Greg Christopher is a big NO for me. He is the direct reason I stopped supporting the JPC.
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Same here,I hope they take a long look at Jim Schaus the AD at Ohio U. His Dad coached bball for a short time at Purdue and he is a 83 grad
 
I don't necessarily want another Purdue guy unless he's a proven commodity in the AD office somewhere else. And................... no more non-FB or non-BB persons need apply.
 
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Regardless of who they hire as AD, i think they need to create a Deputy AD position that specifically serves Football and mens Bball. The two sports are far too important to not have a dedicated staff member who knows what they are doing.
 
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Care to elaborate? It seems like no one likes Berks JPC directors,
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No, I don't want to share any details. I will say we can do way better with a person that knows how to work with or deal with people of all types and backgrounds. It is a sales job, so to speak, and I look at it that they are on commission.
 
RegionWarrior101 said:
In this day in age it helps to have someone with a legal background or experience running a corporation.
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You absolutely do not need someone with a "legal Background," as in a J.D. What we do need is someone who knows when they need to involve legal and to what extent. Same way with finance. A lot of organizations are dysfunctional because they have week leadership that lets legal and finance takeover the management of the organization. Then the first things considered wrt every potential action are compliance and budgets -- as opposed to the risks of not taking action -- and the next thing you know, paralysis sets in and the organization loses its way in terms of achieving its objective, whether that be valuation creation, benevolent service, what have you. I've experienced this happening in several organizations in which I've worked, and IMO, this aptly describes the Purdue Athletic Dept. I would argue, Morgan's background is actually a disadvantage in terms of being an effective manager. Legal and finance are obstacles that good managers figure out how to satisfy, or overcome, while keeping their eyes on the ball (i.e., mission/vision or objective).
 
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You absolutely do not need someone with a "legal Background," as in a J.D. What we do need is someone who knows when they need to involve legal and to what extent. Same way with finance. A lot of organizations are dysfunctional because they have week leadership that lets legal and finance takeover the management of the organization. Then the first things considered wrt every potential action are compliance and budgets -- as opposed to the risks of not taking action -- and the next thing you know, paralysis sets in and the organization loses its way in terms of achieving its objective, whether that be valuation creation, benevolent service, what have you. I've experienced this happening in several organizations in which I've worked, and IMO, this aptly describes the Purdue Athletic Dept. I would argue, Morgan's background is actually a disadvantage in terms of being an effective manager. Legal and finance are obstacles that good managers figure out how to satisfy, or overcome, while keeping their eyes on the ball (i.e., mission/vision or objective).
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It can't hurt. I also don't want some meatball fan in the job either. The former coach angle I am not sure is the greatest, i.e. Barry up in Madison. A nice stretch for sure but now with Barf Bielema and Ryan gone, things may be slipping a bit.

I just read this on the Illinois search and their 7 finalists.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...letic-director-candidates-20160202-story.html
 
RegionWarrior101 said:
It can't hurt. I also don't want some meatball fan in the job either. The former coach angle I am not sure is the greatest, i.e. Barry up in Madison. A nice stretch for sure but now with Barf Bielema and Ryan gone, things may be slipping a bit.

I just read this on the Illinois search and their 7 finalists.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...letic-director-candidates-20160202-story.html
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The only way I'd hire a JD or a CPA-type as an AD, is if he/she understood that they aren't being hired to be a lawyer or an accountant. The AD's job is to win at the revenue sports within the constraints of the NCAA rule book. Do that, and financial viability will take care of itself at a place like Purdue.
 
RegionWarrior101 said:
In this day in age it helps to have someone with a legal background or experience running a corporation. Brian Cardinal is in the JPC now working. More of an ambassador. Greg Christopher at Xavier will be mentioned. Worked under Burke. MB 2.0. I like this Whitman guy who played at IL, current AD at Wash U in St. Louis. Candidate for Illinois job.

Purdue ties are not necessary for me.
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I think Josh Whitman should be the guy we target. Grew up in West Lafayette, played in the big 10 at IL, and has some ties to the NFL. Heard he's a great guy also and is well thought of as an AD. Still young too, I believe he's 36 or 37.

Here's a link to tell about him more:
http://bearsports.wustl.edu/information/directory/bios/Whitman
 
I'd prefer to see someone without the Purdue ties. At some point we need to have someone here with a different perspective, even if it's for a short stay to shake things up a bit. Successful ADs are CEOs that can bring in the money and can properly delegate to his/her employees. I could care less if they know football and basketball, provided they're smart enough to have people around them who know what's going on and what to do. I question whether Morgan Burke has that support staff at this point.
 
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I'd prefer to see someone without the Purdue ties. At some point we need to have someone here with a different perspective, even if it's for a short stay to shake things up a bit. Successful ADs are CEOs that can bring in the money and can properly delegate to his/her employees. I could care less if they know football and basketball, provided they're smart enough to have people around them who know what's going on and what to do. I question whether Morgan Burke has that support staff at this point.
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I am not sure about how I feel about Purdue ties. Hazell had none and he has been a total disaster. I like new ways of thinking, but also need to know the community, the University, the past (bad and good), and our situation. Someone with new ideas, but understands what dumpster fire they are getting into. That being said Whitman is a good option, does not have Morgan stink on him but grew up close to the situation.
 
Does wash u have decent athletics?

I don't think being young is necessarily a positive. I think it's better to shake up this position every 15 years as opposed to having a guy here for 30.

For me, Purdue ties not necessary. But I understand it may help get our foot in the door, so I don't mind it either. Definitely must be someone outside the current department.
 
njm8845 said:
Does wash u have decent athletics?

I don't think being young is necessarily a positive. I think it's better to shake up this position every 15 years as opposed to having a guy here for 30.

For me, Purdue ties not necessary. But I understand it may help get our foot in the door, so I don't mind it either. Definitely must be someone outside the current department.
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Why shake up the position every 15 years? If it's not broke, why think about doing it? I'd love to find a lifer for football/basketball/AD.
 
njm8845 said:
Does wash u have decent athletics?

I don't think being young is necessarily a positive. I think it's better to shake up this position every 15 years as opposed to having a guy here for 30.

For me, Purdue ties not necessary. But I understand it may help get our foot in the door, so I don't mind it either. Definitely must be someone outside the current department.
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Wash U historically is a .500 football program, but that is impressive when you look at academic restrictions. School is there with U Chicago, Case Western, etc. The guy knows academics and competed himself at a high level. I can't see him being condescending with the fan base. Like Morgan will tell me I am a dope for being unsatisfied with a 2-10 season for not seeing the big picture.
 
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I just don't think age should factor into this. We're looking for someone to fix this now, let's worry about 30 years from now a decade or so down the road.

So we're already qualifying the washu guy's success by saying he has a mediocre team at a school with good academics? That sounds like a lot of people's excuses for why Purdue can't win. He must be great if Illinois wanted him too. That's a department we definitely want to emulate.
 
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I just don't think age should factor into this. We're looking for someone to fix this now, let's worry about 30 years from now a decade or so down the road.

So we're already qualifying the washu guy's success by saying he has a mediocre team at a school with good academics? That sounds like a lot of people's excuses for why Purdue can't win. He must be great if Illinois wanted him too. That's a department we definitely want to emulate.
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I would just be happy with someone not from the Burke tree. All other names in the article, like Greg Christopher stink of Burke.
 
nat100 said:
Quinn would make sense. Isnt Cardinal doing something with a sport promotion outfit right now.

No to the other two.

Bring in the guy from Xavier. He was at Purdue at one time and cut his teeth at BGSU.
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The AD that replaced him Chris Kingston has a interesting back ground and I think he made the Dino Babers hire at BGSU.
 
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I just don't think age should factor into this. We're looking for someone to fix this now, let's worry about 30 years from now a decade or so down the road.

So we're already qualifying the washu guy's success by saying he has a mediocre team at a school with good academics? That sounds like a lot of people's excuses for why Purdue can't win. He must be great if Illinois wanted him too. That's a department we definitely want to emulate.
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Agree 100%. I remember folks complaining about Tiller being too old when he got the job, I believe he was 53 at the time.

On a side note, I have been trying to picture my boss's reaction if I were to have 3 consecutive years of declining sales, and then march into his office and announce that I am stepping down - a year and a half from now.
 
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Agree 100%. I remember folks complaining about Tiller being too old when he got the job, I believe he was 53 at the time.

On a side note, I have been trying to picture my boss's reaction if I were to have 3 consecutive years of declining sales, and then march into his office and announce that I am stepping down - a year and a half from now.
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You arent under contract. Different mechanics to how you terminate him.
 
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Is there any example of this "coach in waiting" thing being done at any other school? It's weird he's so fond of it.

I didn't mind it in basketball, as it gave Gene a victory lap and perhaps allowed Painter to recruit the baby boilers. But by all accounts, both Hope and Tiller didn't like it. I'm sure the new AD won't be a fan of it either, unless he's one of Burke's current croneys.

But at this point, unless it was an astounding success in the previous two cases, it seems like we should drop it.
 
Steve Orsini would be awesome. Despite any BS on the street about SMU. I know him personally and is a man of great character. And you know what? He's a winner. Fights for improving the programs. And has done it.
 
Yoderboy89 said:
Steve Orsini would be awesome. Despite any BS on the street about SMU. I know him personally and is a man of great character. And you know what? He's a winner. Fights for improving the programs. And has done it.
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You can clearly tell he wants to win, hiring Larry Brown (who'd have ever thought Brown would coach at SMU) and hiring Chad Morris (great young offensive mind) and he hired June Jones (which worked out somewhat, but ultimately didn't pan out). He's shown he wants winners for coaches.
 
njm8845 said:
Is there any example of this "coach in waiting" thing being done at any other school? It's weird he's so fond of it.

I didn't mind it in basketball, as it gave Gene a victory lap and perhaps allowed Painter to recruit the baby boilers. But by all accounts, both Hope and Tiller didn't like it. I'm sure the new AD won't be a fan of it either, unless he's one of Burke's current croneys.

But at this point, unless it was an astounding success in the previous two cases, it seems like we should drop it.
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Only other thing I can think of was with Muschamp at Texas being named the HC in waiting...but when Mack Brown started balking at when to retire, Muschamp got happy feet and bolted for Florida. Trying to scrape my brain to think of the other times this has happened but I don't think it has been entirely successful.

Didn't they try something similar with the Knicks and Phil Jackson 'tutoring' a young coach at some point?
 
Other schools that did the coach in waiting

Wisconsin - Alvarez to Bieledork
Oregon - Belotti to Kelly
Kentucky - Brooks to Phillips
Maryland - Friedgen to Franklin (new AD didnt honor it)
 
Whoever it is (not sure if the Christopher thing has been confirmed), they need to be an energetic results-oriented person who is willing to do the things necessary to elevate this football program. You listen to Morgan and after all these years you can just hear how he has checked out of the rat race and such banal things as winning football games. He is wise old professor Morgan now and prefers to wax poetic about his philosophies on big picture issues. Fine. Great. Go be an advisor on a board somewhere.

Purdue right now needs a focused, energetic, blood thirsty winner, a strong leader and champion to get his hands dirty and make wins happen. Someone who focuses 100% of their energy on making the Purdue football program competitive again and can let someone else worry about whether everyone's life is being enriched for the better across the NCAA. If I'm on the hiring board, THAT is what I'm looking for.
 
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Whoever it is (not sure if the Christopher thing has been confirmed), they need to be an energetic results-oriented person who is willing to do the things necessary to elevate this football program. You listen to Morgan and after all these years you can just hear how he has checked out of the rat race and such banal things as winning football games. He is wise old professor Morgan now and prefers to wax poetic about his philosophies on big picture issues. Fine. Great. Go be an advisor on a board somewhere.

Purdue right now needs a focused, energetic, blood thirsty winner, a strong leader and champion to get his hands dirty and make wins happen. Someone who focuses 100% of their energy on making the Purdue football program competitive again and can let someone else worry about whether everyone's life is being enriched for the better across the NCAA. If I'm on the hiring board, THAT is what I'm looking for.
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I just assume it will be a ho-hum hire because at the end of the day our hierarchy genuinely couldn't care less.
 
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How about Jim Everett? I would also say Dave Butz but he may be too old at 65.
 
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