A reasonable expectation for the new coach

[TMA62]

What do you think a reasonable expectation would be? I think that the current Purdue team in terms of individual/team talent and depth may be the worse team in at least recent memory, if not in history. The new HC, whoever he is, will inherit and empty cupboard and a team that is simply not B1G material. This undertaking may be worse than what DH2 inherited, or DH1 interited or what Jim Colletto or Fred Akers inherited.

I don't expect to see things change overnight. Personally, I am setting the bar low given the above. I think that seeing improvement by the end of the 3rd year is reasonable. That improvement can be measured in the win-loss column and team stats. It may not even mean that we have a winning season by then, just improvement in that direction. I just think that expecting the new HC to 'fix' our current situation by 2-years maybe very optimistic. By the 3rd season, the team would have bought into the HC's system and a number of his recruits would be on the field.

What are your thoughts?

 

[pboiler18]

Recruit well in year 1
Win 4-6 in year 2
7+ in year 3
Compete for division in year 4

If we hire the right guy, this is the timeline.

Idiots will want him fired in year 2 though.

 

[nat100]

Next year is going to be brutal.

4 wins in year 2 might be aggressive

 

[FirstDownB]

Pull in top 30ish recruiting classes in years 1-4 and the rest is icing on the cake. Either you win or leave the cupboard stocked for the next guy.

 

[Foolmeoncefan]

What do you think a reasonable expectation would be? I think that the current Purdue team in terms of individual/team talent and depth may be the worse team in at least recent memory, if not in history. The new HC, whoever he is, will inherit and empty cupboard and a team that is simply not B1G material. This undertaking may be worse than what DH2 inherited, or DH1 interited or what Jim Colletto or Fred Akers inherited.

I don't expect to see things change overnight. Personally, I am setting the bar low given the above. I think that seeing improvement by the end of the 3rd year is reasonable. That improvement can be measured in the win-loss column and team stats. It may not even mean that we have a winning season by then, just improvement in that direction. I just think that expecting the new HC to 'fix' our current situation by 2-years maybe very optimistic. By the 3rd season, the team would have bought into the HC's system and a number of his recruits would be on the field.

What are your thoughts?

Reasonable expectations got us here. Hazell was reasonable. We live in a world where being reasonable with unreasonable people is not a proper way to go about it. Purdue needs to do one of two things. A first and foremost DO NOT settle. An interim guy is better. A) get the guy you want or equivalent. If not, B) go to D2,3 ranks and get a championship guy at the lower levels or a guy trying to get to the bigs, give him an underpaid shot with lucrative incentives upon achieving victory. DO NOT do what we've done in the past that is insanity. Repeating past mistakes IS insanity. Think outside the box. Either get exactly what you want in a coach for precise calculated reasons, and accept nothing less. Or give someone who's looking for a chance on a short term arrangement. See what he can do. Our recruiting can't get much worse anyway.

 

[IronChefBBQ]

There's no "may be". The team next year will be light years worse than what Hazell inherited. That team had enough toys that the right coach/system would have won 6+. We'll be luck to have 3-4wins in Year 3...

 

[slidde01]

It was Miles or bust from my POV.

Looks like we bust. I don't see any other coach on the market with enough presence to turn this thing around.

The college football landscape has left us in the dust.

Why even waste your time with it?

 

[TC4THREE]

Assuming Blough stays we may be able to outscore a few teams next year. I know the schedule is tough but I haven't looked at it yet so maybe I'm optimistic. We should host Illinois so there's that possibility. Then we play IU, Minnesota, and Northwestern in conference also and those could be possible. Is there a MAC team on the schedule?

So 4-5 teams we may have a shot at? If the coach does a great job maybe we can get 3 of those? I'm not willing to say that less than that would be disappointing though.

 

[nat100]

Assuming Blough stays we may be able to outscore a few teams next year. I know the schedule is tough but I haven't looked at it yet so maybe I'm optimistic. We should host Illinois so there's that possibility. Then we play IU, Minnesota, and Northwestern in conference also and those could be possible. Is there a MAC team on the schedule?

So 4-5 teams we may have a shot at? If the coach does a great job maybe we can get 3 of those? I'm not willing to say that less than that would be disappointing though.

O line will be bad next year. Worse than this year

 

[Boiler8285]

O line will be bad next year. Worse than this year

How could the OL be worse? If you are correct better make sure we are deep at QB.

 

[nat100]

How could the OL be worse? If you are correct better make sure we are deep at QB.

We lose two senior starters at guard and have no experience (or talent) returning to replace them.

Go look at the roster for linemen

 

[Boiler8285]

We lose two senior starters at guard and have no experience (or talent) returning to replace them.

Go look at the roster for linemen

I understand but the current line, seniors included, sucked and I just can't fathom how a warm body could be worse. I would like to think we have hit rock bottom but probably just wishful thinking.

 

[TC4THREE]

We lose two senior starters at guard and have no experience (or talent) returning to replace them.

Go look at the roster for linemen

The new coach will have to have a few tricks up his sleeve to make it viable but you never know. Freshmen, JUCOs, position switches are all still on the table. It won't be easy that's for sure.

 

[Foolmeoncefan]

Any good coach can make Purdue a 6 win team. These big ten teams are by absolutely no means power offenses. A solid defensive team of well coached players is the equalizer. Failure to get that accounts for about 80 percent of Purdue's losses. It is abhorent how Purdue teams approach defense.

I firmly believe in going to the lower ranks to find a coach. I'd much rather go through 5 coaches from D2 or D3, D1AA any day of the week over two poor losers every 10 or so prolonging their miserable failures. In fact NOT changing coaches more often only harvests bad results further. There are a lot of good teams in D1 and D2 that have excellent coaches. Ones that understand the game. Ones that know how to evaluate a players ability. Dealing with college coaches is more of a cult anymore and it needs to be infiltrated by smart coach outsiders to benchmark what's going on out there anyways.

On Purdue's crop, I'd say 8 out of 11 Purdue players are playing out of position. Find a position and a player to match talent and ability wise is the problem with Purdue, along with team building deficiency. Purdue needs more team building exercises in sports. Perhaps a sports dormitory is necessary. Purdue needs to closely evaluate what other big ten schools have done, how they operate, what the gaps are at all aspects of this, and needs to match it now. That's what they need to do. Look what Oregon did. They went from laughing stock to respected power rapidly. Look at Mike Tomlin's career as a coach. Purdue should interview or pay for advice from professional football powers and powerhouse out of conference colleges alike to learn their strategy in selecting a good coach. Knowing someone who philosophically understands how to approach this. Purdue CLEARLY does not. Looking at probably the poorest coached teams I have ever seen anywhere out there virtually ever on defense for the last 20 years.

Purdue's problems as bad as they are recruiting are far more deficient at the coaching, team building, and mental aspects of this than sheer talent. A well coached average group of players can be taught how to beat talented teams 7 out of ten games if they just know the game. This is the part Purdue fails at infinitely. An inspirational coach who understands the game, someone from D2 maybe D3 I think is best. Go get an outsider. We don't need another premadonna. We've all heard their crap before and we don't need to hear or see it again. Purdue's administrators approach this like a checkers game while other colleges look at it as chess. Time rethink everything.

 

[bonefish1]

I'm willing to give the new coach time to rebuild, and when he does, I expect this program to be on par with Wisky and MSU. No reason not to believe that is achievable.
Get Top 25 recruiting classes, compete on the field, don't ever let the players lay down, pull off some upsets, and every now in then, be in the playoff discussion.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Assuming Blough stays we may be able to outscore a few teams next year. I know the schedule is tough but I haven't looked at it yet so maybe I'm optimistic. We should host Illinois so there's that possibility. Then we play IU, Minnesota, and Northwestern in conference also and those could be possible. Is there a MAC team on the schedule?

So 4-5 teams we may have a shot at? If the coach does a great job maybe we can get 3 of those? I'm not willing to say that less than that would be disappointing though.

Purdue's 2017 schedule:

Louisville (Indianapolis)
Ohio
@ Missouri
Michigan
Minnesota
@ Wisconsin
@ Rutgers
Nebraska
Illinois
@ Northwestern
@ Iowa
Indiana

 

[TC4THREE]

Purdue's 2017 schedule:

Louisville (Indianapolis)
Ohio
@ Missouri
Michigan
Minnesota
@ Wisconsin
@ Rutgers
Nebraska
Illinois
@ Northwestern
@ Iowa
Indiana

We have 2 tough non-conference games but other than that it looks reasonable to me.

I know Ohio is in the MAC Championship game Friday but no clue what they have coming back next season. It's a MAC team so hopefully we have a shot there.

Then we get Minnesota, Illinois, and IU at home. Rutgers on the road. Maybe Northwestern could be in play?

If I had to set an over/under number for betting purposes I'd go with 2.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

We have 2 tough non-conference games but other than that it looks reasonable to me.

I know Ohio is in the MAC Championship game Friday but no clue what they have coming back next season. It's a MAC team so hopefully we have a shot there.

Then we get Minnesota, Illinois, and IU at home. Rutgers on the road. Maybe Northwestern could be in play?

If I had to set an over/under number for betting purposes I'd go with 2.

Without knowing the new coach (obviously, and I'm not sure how much difference that will make....as other posters have suggested), at first glance, off the top of my head.....I was thinking 2-3.

 

[PaBoiler78]

Without knowing the new coach (obviously, and I'm not sure how much difference that will make....as other posters have suggested), at first glance, off the top of my head.....I was thinking 2-3.

what's the date on the Rutgers game? thanks

 

[sarasotan]

Nobody asked, but I hope you get a hot recruiter like we got in Franklin @ PSU. His success is also attributable to recognizing OC/DC talent, while conducting himself more like a CEO. He simply misses NO opportunity to make the program better.

Fingers crossed you get that perfect hire. I honestly think Purdue represents a great opportunity for the right person. We have walk-ons who have turned into great players and you have some talented kids that will step up for the right coaches.

This is a stressful situation to be in, though, no doubt. Franklin was hired at the end of December, while O'Brien hadn't put much effort into recruiting. With any luck at all, your new coach will get more time to build the class before LOI day arrives.

 

[PaBoiler78]

Nobody asked, but I hope you get a hot recruiter like we got in Franklin @ PSU. His success is also attributable to recognizing OC/DC talent, while conducting himself more like a CEO. He simply misses NO opportunity to make the program better.

Fingers crossed you get that perfect hire. I honestly think Purdue represents a great opportunity for the right person. We have walk-ons who have turned into great players and you have some talented kids that will step up for the right coaches.

This is a stressful situation to be in, though, no doubt. Franklin was hired at the end of December, while O'Brien hadn't put much effort into recruiting. With any luck at all, your new coach will get more time to build the class before LOI day arrives.

getting Morehead has gotten you guys where you are.

 

[sarasotan]

getting Morehead has gotten you guys where you are.

Morehead is amazing. That was all Franklin's doing, though. JM wasn't on B10 radar. Exactly the point I was trying to make. That's the outside the box thinking you want.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

what's the date on the Rutgers game? thanks

Saturday, October 21, PaB.

 

[PaBoiler78]

Morehead is amazing. That was all Franklin's doing, though. JM wasn't on B10 radar. Exactly the point I was trying to make. That's the outside the box thinking you want.

watched what JM did at Fordham ( I live close to Lehigh U.) was posting his name constantly on our forum last year when we were looking to replace a Shoop like you guys had to do.

 

[PaBoiler78]

Saturday, October 21, PaB.

thanks, I;ll be here.

 

[FirstDownB]

A little trip down memory lane..
Interesting how quickly some expectations have changed. With this roster people were expecting 2 to 4 wins. Now it is unacceptable that they are on track to win 4 or 5 because they are losing the other games in frustratingly close fashion (instead of getting blown out) and the schedule is a bit softer than thought.

 

[BoiledSteel]

A little trip down memory lane..
Interesting how quickly some expectations have changed. With this roster people were expecting 2 to 4 wins. Now it is unacceptable that they are on track to win 4 or 5 because they are losing the other games in frustratingly close fashion (instead of getting blown out) and the schedule is a bit softer than thought.

Great bump of this thread. Hopefully it will give some people on here some perspective as a few really need it.

 

[Clubcar7]

Recruit well in year 1
Win 4-6 in year 2
7+ in year 3
Compete for division in year 4

If we hire the right guy, this is the timeline.

Idiots will want him fired in year 2 though.

Needs fired now. Calls bad plays and blames the player's.

 

[BoiledSteel]

Needs fired now. Calls bad plays and blames the player's.

Did you even read his presser? He explicitly blamed himself first. If you fire every coach for making bad play calls, then every coach will be fired eventually.

You need a huge dose of reality. Seriously.

 

[pb1941]

Needs fired now. Calls bad plays and blames the player's.

You must be color blind,thats your team dressed like clowns in red and white stupid!!