4 Purdue Football Players Accused of Sexual Assault
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Kick em' out of the University if there is any shred of evidence that points to this being true. This is really the first major instance of this occurring since the fallout at Baylor. Purdue, MBob, and Mitch need to take a very hard line stance of standing up for the victims here.
I would emphasize that we need to have evidence in some form before anything major is decided. Suspensions are a no brainer, if they have a criminal history and have these accusations, removal from the team seems like it should happen immediately at the onset of any reliability of the claims of the victims.
I don't want to jump the gun and expel some kid before any sort of due process takes place, but we have to act harshly to stamp out any potential fallout.
There was an incident at UNC involving a linebacker on the football team. Last I heard he was suspended pending his trial. That seems to be the standard procedure now, and it's probably a reasonable guideline here:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/14/us/unc-rape-allegations/
I agree but I think with this, suspension from the University pending expulsion should be on the table. At some point, a University needs to take a hard line stance with sexual assault on campuses.
I agree but keep in mind that it's not sexual assault until they are found guilty of such. An accusation by itself should not be grounds for suspension/expulsion.
I would imagine that if Purdue ever had looked into him that they had ruled him out before this.
As was sent to WLFI ...
"The Tippecanoe County Prosecutors Office received and reviewed West Lafayette Police Case Report 2016-004150. West Lafayette Police conducted a thorough investigation, and were able to have the cooperation of all individuals involved. No criminal charges were filed after a review of the evidence."
"The Tippecanoe County Prosecutors Office received and reviewed West Lafayette Police Case Report 2016-004150. West Lafayette Police conducted a thorough investigation, and were able to have the cooperation of all individuals involved. No criminal charges were filed after a review of the evidence."
Typically I would agree, but if these players have a criminal record, as was suggested, I'm ok with an immediate suspension. We don't need to jump to a Duke Lacrosse situation where we expel kids before any due process can occur.
Based on the updated story it appears due process has taken place and no criminal charges are pending. On what grounds do you expel these students?
In the
http://www.jconline.com/story/news/...due-athletes-accused-sexual-assault/93957160/
In the JC article there was talk of marijuana usage by the athletes... as well as the players have also been accused of "contributing alcohol to minors and maintaining a common nuisance."
http://www.jconline.com/story/news/...due-athletes-accused-sexual-assault/93957160/
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If due process was done and the WLPD did not pursue charges than it seems like the lawyer is trying to wring some cash out of Purdue and the players.
Interesting, the attorney, whose press release reads like an extortion attempt rather than a call for true justice for the victims, has no less than three DUI convictions under his belt....
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/...additional-jail-time-after-3rd-owi-conviction
Interesting, the attorney, whose press release reads like an extortion attempt rather than a call for true justice for the victims, has no less than three DUI convictions under his belt....
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/...additional-jail-time-after-3rd-owi-conviction
If that's the worst and these are first offenders, still no expulsion. And again, they weren't charged with any crime. I have zero tolerance for sexual violence in our program. I'm not convinced this meets that threshold.
Because the scholarships are for one year (automatically renewable) a new coaching staff could come in and not renew these scholarships calling it misconduct. They do not have to be convicted in order to fall in this category.
Agreed. I just think unless they've been problem children all along, a suspension is more appropriate.
Guilty until proven innocent, eh?
Before declaring condemnations, as so many are always so eager to do, evidenced above, consider the possible reasons why no criminal charges will be filed against the four Purdue football players.
From WLFI …
“News 18 requested the investigation report from West Lafayette Police Department through the Indiana Access to Public Records Act and received it almost immediately. In the 16-page report, police talked to everyone involved and some of the testimony shows the girls admitted to consensual sex with certain players and engaged in group sex. A previous group chat conversation also shows the girls asking for a three-some.”
http://wlfi.com/2016/11/16/purdue-prosecutor-responds-to-allegations-of-sexual-assault-on-4-football-players/
Before declaring condemnations, as so many are always so eager to do, evidenced above, consider the possible reasons why no criminal charges will be filed against the four Purdue football players.
From WLFI …
“News 18 requested the investigation report from West Lafayette Police Department through the Indiana Access to Public Records Act and received it almost immediately. In the 16-page report, police talked to everyone involved and some of the testimony shows the girls admitted to consensual sex with certain players and engaged in group sex. A previous group chat conversation also shows the girls asking for a three-some.”
http://wlfi.com/2016/11/16/purdue-prosecutor-responds-to-allegations-of-sexual-assault-on-4-football-players/
I do not know any of the facts of the case but I did not know any of the facts in the Duke Rape Case either! Anyone know how that turned out?
Girls asking for a threesome? Sounds like the parents on tv asking for the players expulsion from school should have spent a little more effort in parenting. No means no and I get that but asking for a threesome? Wow
And apparently a fourth showed up to enjoy and the girls asked him to leave and he did.
another bogus , blown out of proportion thing, due to a couple people not being able to handle what they did and made it bad for 4 others, the girls should be charged with lying and making false charges
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Yep. Accountability is a two way street. Don't point a finger unless you really have a basis to point it. As for the attorneys if they didn't do their own due diligence before filing the statement publicly they should be sued for libel.
Sounds like the only thing that saved their asses was having a record of the messages from the girls. Otherwise it's he said, she said and.. buh bye!
As a parent it must be hard to accept that your little girl isn't an innocent little angel any more. But by far the shadiest actor in all of this seems to be the lawyer. Guys like this are a step or 2 below ambulance chaser.
As a parent it must be hard to accept that your little girl isn't an innocent little angel any more. But by far the shadiest actor in all of this seems to be the lawyer. Guys like this are a step or 2 below ambulance chaser.
I was going to say that it seems to me to be a case of a lawyer trying to make a name for themselves on the heels of increased scrutiny nationwide. Not many details in the first story but much more with the police report. I think the suspension at the time was good to get the kids off the field immediately in the wake of the allegations (considering the landscape lately on campuses given Baylor and PSU) but with no charges being brought and the release of the report, I would think the players should be able to play the last two games if Coach Parker makes the decision to let them.
This is a hard issue to confront and one that I would be truly find difficult if I was a judge or lawyer. It is one thing to completely and totally make up false claims of sexual assault or rape in an instance where absolutely no sexual contact was made...it is totally another in an instance like this where sex was consensual at some level and then either stopped or changed at some point but no charges are being filed. If you go down that steep slope of wanting to charge every man or woman who alleges sexual assault or rape with lying or slander when charges aren't brought forward or there isn't 100% truth...that is a slippery slope for the judicial system.
Totally baseless claims, however, should lead to quick and harsh penalties for those individuals, IMO.
Morning after regret shouldn't be grounds for a sexual assault charge.
They were drinking wine, asked for a there some, got what they wanted. Im guessing a few more people found out then they wanted which probably has to do with why these charges are coming up.
A report has come out from the statements made to police that the women, after the incident, went to Jimmy Johns and then Walmart to obtain a morning after pill. During the course of the night, the two women went upstairs with two of the football players and engaged in consensual sex. The two other attending players attempted to join in and when one of the women said no to the second man engaging in sex, he stopped and left the room. By all accounts, the players acted within what was expected and initiated by the women. When one of the parties voiced their discontent of the situation, the young man stopped and left the situation.
I think you are correct that it is remorse and a reaction to what they perceived as a poor decision. I can't fault the woman for that but this is something that could be taken to civil court if the young men choose to since their season and reputation has had a negative effect and this could potentially have a negative impact on their ability to obtain work in the NFL...even as a free agent.
Exactly. Sounds like the only guy that might have done something wrong was the person who tried to initiate sex even though they admitted he stopped when they asked so imo that doesn't warrant any type of criminal charges. This whole sitiation screams next day regret and embarrassment after people most likely found out.
I am not defending either side but add alcohol (the most abused and destructive drug in the world) and weed by the women and the players, the women MUST accept some blame on what has gone on. From the J&C
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"The two women told police they were drinking wine at their apartment when one began messaging a football player about having a threesome. Eventually, he picked picked them up and took them to a residence in the 800 block of Hayes Street in West Lafayette.
There, investigators say, they reportedly drank more alcohol and smoked marijuana with four football players before the women asked for a ride to a nearby sorority house. By 12:30 a.m., the females requested a ride back to the Hayes Street apartment, according to the police report."
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"The two women told police they were drinking wine at their apartment when one began messaging a football player about having a threesome. Eventually, he picked picked them up and took them to a residence in the 800 block of Hayes Street in West Lafayette.
There, investigators say, they reportedly drank more alcohol and smoked marijuana with four football players before the women asked for a ride to a nearby sorority house. By 12:30 a.m., the females requested a ride back to the Hayes Street apartment, according to the police report."
Sadly, Title IX puts college administrators in quite a bind. It is more than women's rights for equal sporting scholarships. It often forces a university to be judge and jury outside the legal system on rape allegations (for which colleges nor other businesses are equipped) or else face some really harsh consequences. That is part of Title IX protection of women's rights. I won't get into detail here....but research various cases on the internet if it is of interest.
Intent of Title IX is awesome. But it can create some difficult situations for a university when, at the end of the day, we all want what is right for all parties involved and the correct justice to be served. A school is not necessarily the best equipped to conduct the proper investigations and rule on them.
Well if it is forcing people to forfeit due process it would seem to me to be unconstitutional but I'm far from an expert on any of it. As someone who has seen people be falsely accused of pretty serious stuff before, it disturbs me that all it takes is an accusation to wreck someone's life. If they are guilty, they get what they deserve. That said, they deserve the presumption of innocence up to that point.
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http://www.denverpost.com/2016/06/11/injustice-at-csu-pueblo-a-student-wrongly-accused/
One quote from article below. Many more like this.
"So why is this happening? Because colleges across the nation have been threatened by the departments of Education and Justice with the loss of millions of dollars of funding if they do not implement policies that effectively presume all males guilty of any sexual misdeeds of which they may be accused."
