3 seed may have sailed...... maybe

[3AmigosBigDogBabyBoilersBiggie]

Below is breakdown of the potential top 5 seed teams.

We have to win @NW for this to mean anything.

TEAMS WE CAN'T CATCH DUE TO RECORD AND RPI
TEAM. RECORD. GAME. RPI
Villanova 27-3 @Georgetown 1
Kansas 27-3. @Ok. St. 2
UNC. 25-6 vs Duke 7
Gonzaga 29-1 vs UOP 11
UCLA 27-3 vs WSU 15
Oregon 26-4 @Or. St. 4
Arizona 26-4 @Ar. St. 9

TEAMS WE LIKELY CAN'T CATCH EVEN IF THEY LOSE THIS WEEKEND DUE TO RECORD OR RPI
TEAM. RECORD. GAME. RPI
Kentucky 25-5 @TxA&M 8
Baylor 24-6 @Texas 5
Louisville 23-7 vs ND 6

TEAMS THAT ARE JUST AHEAD OF US OR EVEN WITH US. A LOSS THIS WEEKEND MIGHT HELP US
TEAM. RECORD. GAME. RPI
Duke 23-7 @UNC 13
Butler 23-6 vs Seton 10
Florida 24-6 @Vandy 3
West Virginia 24-7 Done 22
Florida St. 23-7 vs Miami 12
Norte Dame 23-7 @Lou 24

TEAMS I THINK WE HAVE A LITTLE SEPERATION FROM
TEAM. RECORD. GAME. RPI
Minnesota 23-7 @ Wisc 18
Cincinnati 26-4 @UCONN 14
Virginia 20-9 vs Pitt 16
SMU 26-4 vs Memph 19

Based on my breakdown there are 10 slots beyond our reach. That only leaves 2 more 3 seeds up for grabs. Meaning that the committee has to pick us over 5 of the 6 teams listed in the middle section.

I could see Duke losing and still being seen as better than us. A road loss to UNC will be acceptable.

 

[3AmigosBigDogBabyBoilersBiggie]

Below is breakdown of the potential top 5 seed teams.

We have to win @NW for this to mean anything.

TEAMS WE CAN'T CATCH DUE TO RECORD AND RPI
TEAM. RECORD. GAME. RPI
Villanova 27-3 @Georgetown 1
Kansas 27-3. @Ok. St. 2
UNC. 25-6 vs Duke 7
Gonzaga 29-1 vs UOP 11
UCLA 27-3 vs WSU 15
Oregon 26-4 @Or. St. 4
Arizona 26-4 @Ar. St. 9

TEAMS WE LIKELY CAN'T CATCH EVEN IF THEY LOSE THIS WEEKEND DUE TO RECORD OR RPI
TEAM. RECORD. GAME. RPI
Kentucky 25-5 @TxA&M 8
Baylor 24-6 @Texas 5
Louisville 23-7 vs ND 6

TEAMS THAT ARE JUST AHEAD OF US OR EVEN WITH US. A LOSS THIS WEEKEND MIGHT HELP US
TEAM. RECORD. GAME. RPI
Duke 23-7 @UNC 13
Butler 23-6 vs Seton 10
Florida 24-6 @Vandy 3
West Virginia 24-7 Done 22
Florida St. 23-7 vs Miami 12
Norte Dame 23-7 @Lou 24

TEAMS I THINK WE HAVE A LITTLE SEPERATION FROM
TEAM. RECORD. GAME. RPI
Minnesota 23-7 @ Wisc 18
Cincinnati 26-4 @UCONN 14
Virginia 20-9 vs Pitt 16
SMU 26-4 vs Memph 19

Based on my breakdown there are 10 slots beyond our reach. That only leaves 2 more 3 seeds up for grabs. Meaning that the committee has to pick us over 5 of the 6 teams listed in the middle section.

I could see Duke losing and still being seen as better than us. A road loss to UNC will be acceptable.

But if Butler loses to Seton Hall we pass them. And if Florida loses to Vandy we pass them. And if Flo St loses to Miami we pass them. And Notre Dame would really need to win @Louisville to pass us. West Virginia is a wild card because they already won yesterday and I can't tell if we're viewed above them, even, or below. It's very close.

So, it's a long shot but...........maybe

 

[SIBoiler2]

We have no effect on any of that other than just taking care of our own business. It's our bed. We made it and now we just have to live with it.

 

[Purdue0034]

First we need to beat Northwestern on Sunday! If we do that I think a #4 seed is likely. Lose that one and I think we end up as a #5 seed regardless of what happens in the BTT. Win out and win the BTT and maybe a # 3 seed, but most likely a #4 seed imo. If we win out, I definitely think we deserve a #3 seed, but don't trust the committee.

 

[Do Dah Day]

If we win out, I definitely think we deserve a #3 seed, but don't trust the committee.

I think the committee has seen us as a 4 since their first meeting. If we did worse than expected, we'd be a 5 (or worse, depending), if better than expected, we'd still be a four. General placements depending on crashes (Wisconsin, Duke), and almost perfection (Gonzaga). Just my humble, uneducated opinion. But I think the polls were the same. We were at best 14, at worst 24. We did well for the most part, we're where they thought we should be ... 14 to 16.

 

[lbodel]

Below is breakdown of the potential top 5 seed teams.

We have to win @NW for this to mean anything.

TEAMS WE CAN'T CATCH DUE TO RECORD AND RPI
TEAM. RECORD. GAME. RPI
Villanova 27-3 @Georgetown 1
Kansas 27-3. @Ok. St. 2
UNC. 25-6 vs Duke 7
Gonzaga 29-1 vs UOP 11
UCLA 27-3 vs WSU 15
Oregon 26-4 @Or. St. 4
Arizona 26-4 @Ar. St. 9

TEAMS WE LIKELY CAN'T CATCH EVEN IF THEY LOSE THIS WEEKEND DUE TO RECORD OR RPI
TEAM. RECORD. GAME. RPI
Kentucky 25-5 @TxA&M 8
Baylor 24-6 @Texas 5
Louisville 23-7 vs ND 6

TEAMS THAT ARE JUST AHEAD OF US OR EVEN WITH US. A LOSS THIS WEEKEND MIGHT HELP US
TEAM. RECORD. GAME. RPI
Duke 23-7 @UNC 13
Butler 23-6 vs Seton 10
Florida 24-6 @Vandy 3
West Virginia 24-7 Done 22
Florida St. 23-7 vs Miami 12
Norte Dame 23-7 @Lou 24

TEAMS I THINK WE HAVE A LITTLE SEPERATION FROM
TEAM. RECORD. GAME. RPI
Minnesota 23-7 @ Wisc 18
Cincinnati 26-4 @UCONN 14
Virginia 20-9 vs Pitt 16
SMU 26-4 vs Memph 19

Based on my breakdown there are 10 slots beyond our reach. That only leaves 2 more 3 seeds up for grabs. Meaning that the committee has to pick us over 5 of the 6 teams listed in the middle section.

I could see Duke losing and still being seen as better than us. A road loss to UNC will be acceptable.

There's about a 1% chance we end up as a 3 seed. We would have to win all of our games and basically have to have other teams completely tank.

 

[pharoutengineer]

With how negatively the committee apparently views the Big Ten this year, I wouldn't be shocked if we won @ NW and won the Big Ten tourney and still were given a 5 seed.

 

[Heller]

How do people know what the committee is thinking? I don't care what Bilas, Lunardi, Palm or any other talking head says, they don't get a vote.

 

[Rose Bowl Boilers]

How do people know what the committee is thinking? I don't care what Bilas, Lunardi, Palm or any other talking head says, they don't get a vote.

They revealed the top 4 seeds from each bracket a few weeks ago and we were not in it. So at best we were a 5 seed in their minds. If we have done better in the committees eyes since then we are a 4. A 3 seed probably will not happen.

 

[SDBoiler1]

We have no effect on any of that other than just taking care of our own business. It's our bed. We made it and now we just have to live with it.

"We made our bed"? Yeah, we won the BIG outright...

 

[SDBoiler1]

With how negatively the committee apparently views the Big Ten this year, I wouldn't be shocked if we won @ NW and won the Big Ten tourney and still were given a 5 seed.

No way. A team that won the BIG Championship and the BTT and is 28-6 will NOT be a 5 seed. Bank on it.

 

[threeeputtt]

"We made our bed"? Yeah, we won the BIG outright...

It's amazing that the Big 12 is held in such regard considering Kansas has won 13 consecutive titles. That doesn't speak very well for the other 11 teams. I think the Big Ten will surprise in the NCAAT

 

[PaBoiler78]

First we need to beat Northwestern on Sunday! If we do that I think a #4 seed is likely. Lose that one and I think we end up as a #5 seed regardless of what happens in the BTT. Win out and win the BTT and maybe a # 3 seed, but most likely a #4 seed imo. If we win out, I definitely think we deserve a #3 seed, but don't trust the committee.

agree.

 

[BoilerBulldog]

Most estimates I've seen have us a low 4 or high 5 seed as of this morning. I think we have to win out to have a shot at 3, and even then we need help.

 

[mryankee2397]

florida,butler and notre dame all lost. we just need to win out and let the chips fall. supposedly rpi will not weigh as heavy as in the past according to one source on espn

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

florida,butler and notre dame all lost. we just need to win out and let the chips fall. supposedly rpi will not weigh as heavy as in the past according to one source on espn

Careful with that.....we don't want Dry too overexcited.

 

[3AmigosBigDogBabyBoilersBiggie]

florida,butler and notre dame all lost. we just need to win out and let the chips fall. supposedly rpi will not weigh as heavy as in the past according to one source on espn

I came back on here to say the same thing. I can't believe it but today is playing out perfectly for us. Louisville and Kentucky are completely out of reach with wins today. But I'd think our resume looks better than Butler, Florida, and Notre Dame now.

Here's my order as of now

1 Villanova
2 Kansas
3 UNC
4 Gonzaga
5 UCLA
6 Oregon
7 Louisville
8 Kentucky
9 Baylor
10 Arizona
11 Duke
12 West Virginia
13 Purdue
14 Florida St
15 Butler
16 Florida
17 Notre Dame
18 Minnesota
19 Cincinnati
20 Virginia

And that nod for West Virginia over us is by the slimmest of margins. Could be reverse.

 

[IndySouthsider]

Win basketball games. And the seed will follow. If Purdue finishes 28-6 and a BTT. They will have a great seed.

 

[3AmigosBigDogBabyBoilersBiggie]

florida,butler and notre dame all lost. we just need to win out and let the chips fall. supposedly rpi will not weigh as heavy as in the past according to one source on espn

Now with Duke's loss the door has opened up wide for Purdue. A win tomorrow could slide them into a 3 seed in a lot of brackets. I'm worried though. Whenever all the stars align for a big move up for our Boilers they have a tendency to fall flat. We'll see. I'm cautiously optimistic. BOILER UP!!!

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Lunardi just updated his bracket and I have decided he is a total idiot this year. After Butler takes a bad loss at home and Florida drops a game as well...they don't drop at all. Yet Duke drops a game to UNC and drop in the bracket. At the same time, Miami takes a loss to FSU and moves up.

Meanwhile, Purdue remains the same. If Purdue wins tomorrow and doesn't move up, I'll probably never look at a Lunardi bracket again.

 

[nagemj02]

Some of the projections still have teams like Virginia and Florida (who just lost to Vanderbilt, BTW) seeded better than the Boilers. If they win today and win at least their first two games of the B1G Tourney, they deserve to be seeded ahead of those two (and possibly Butler and Notre Dame as well).

Let's go!

 

[spradecki]

i don't get the worry over seeding. the boilers can beat anyone in the tournament.
having said that if they can't beat a middling NW and win the BTT i'll have a hard time picking them to win the NCAA tourney.
a 2 or 3 seed would get you out of the 1 seed side of the bracket i guess but the upper teams are about the same really

edit: a 4 seed might be as good as a 2-3 as far as making a final 4

 

[FirstDownB]

supposedly rpi will not weigh as heavy as in the past according to one source on espn

Do you have a link for this?

 

[BoilerBulldog]

I came back on here to say the same thing. I can't believe it but today is playing out perfectly for us. Louisville and Kentucky are completely out of reach with wins today. But I'd think our resume looks better than Butler, Florida, and Notre Dame now.

Here's my order as of now

1 Villanova
2 Kansas
3 UNC
4 Gonzaga
5 UCLA
6 Oregon
7 Louisville
8 Kentucky
9 Baylor
10 Arizona
11 Duke
12 West Virginia
13 Purdue
14 Florida St
15 Butler
16 Florida
17 Notre Dame
18 Minnesota
19 Cincinnati
20 Virginia

And that nod for West Virginia over us is by the slimmest of margins. Could be reverse.

Even with the loss yesterday Butler still is ahead of us. They have a much stronger resume. 4-1 against the Top 15.

 

[boilerzz]

Even with the loss yesterday Butler still is ahead of us. They have a much stronger resume. 4-1 against the Top 15.

Have you looked at their losses? It's close.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Have you looked at their losses? It's close.

ZZ,

That's a good point; however, I think there're indications that good/great wins mean more than "bad" losses. Butler's two wins over Villanova and one over Arizona are like a life preserver right now, IMO. Candidly, as good as Purdue has looked at times and being the outright Big Ten champ, the Boilers just don't have any win as good as those three (just going by ranking/RPI).

Obviously, the only way to know for sure is come next Sunday. I don't necessarily like it, or agree with it, but I do think the Bulldogs are still ahead of the Boilers. I'm speculating of course, and I'd love to be wrong....I think a 3-seed in Milwaukee would be a great get for Purdue if it could somehow happen.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

ZZ,

That's a good point; however, I think there're indications that good/great wins mean more than "bad" losses. Butler's two wins over Villanova and one over Arizona are like a life preserver right now, IMO. Candidly, as good as Purdue has looked at times and being the outright Big Ten champ, the Boilers just don't have any win as good as those three (just going by ranking/RPI).

Obviously, the only way to know for sure is come next Sunday. I don't necessarily like it, or agree with it, but I do think the Bulldogs are still ahead of the Boilers. I'm speculating of course, and I'd love to be wrong....I think a 3-seed in Milwaukee would be a great get for Purdue if it could somehow happen.

You could say the exact same thing about Gonzaga. They have two wins against St. Mary's and non-conference wins against Florida and Iowa State on a neutral court. Put the Zags in the B1G, ACC, SEC, Big 12, or Big East...they likely have at least 6 losses. They are a good team...but not a 1 seed IMO while UCLA is a 3 seed. Lunardi is a dufus this season.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

You could say the exact same thing about Gonzaga. They have two wins against St. Mary's and non-conference wins against Florida and Iowa State on a neutral court. Put the Zags in the B1G, ACC, SEC, Big 12, or Big East...they likely have at least 6 losses. They are a good team...but not a 1 seed IMO while UCLA is a 3 seed. Lunardi is a dufus this season.

I don't disagree with you, JDB....but the top line teams outside of Kansas and Villanova have been somewhat in flux after Gonzaga lost....I think if they lose in the conference tournament, they might be vulnerable.....but you can't have six 2-seeds, either LOL.

It's as jumbled a field further down the bracket as I can remember.

Plus, the system isn't completely fair.

 

[lbodel]

i don't get the worry over seeding. the boilers can beat anyone in the tournament.
having said that if they can't beat a middling NW and win the BTT i'll have a hard time picking them to win the NCAA tourney.
a 2 or 3 seed would get you out of the 1 seed side of the bracket i guess but the upper teams are about the same really

edit: a 4 seed might be as good as a 2-3 as far as making a final 4

I would adjust your opinion if you ask me.

There's actually a sound argument that NOT winning your conference tournament could be helpful in a longer NCAA Tournament run (i.e. Last year, MSU won the BTT and then lost in the first round, Villanova didn't win theirs and then went on to win the national championship).

What happens now does not necessarily have bearing on what happens in 2, 3, 4 weeks from now.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

I don't disagree with you, JDB....but the top line teams outside of Kansas and Villanova have been somewhat in flux after Gonzaga lost....I think if they lose in the conference tournament, they might be vulnerable.....but you can't have six 2-seeds, either LOL.

It's as jumbled a field further down the bracket as I can remember.

Plus, the system isn't completely fair.

Personally, I see UCLA being more deserving of a 1 seed than Gonzaga. I think with as soft as the bubble is along with teams being so interchangeable outside of the top 8 seeds, I wouldn't be surprised to see Purdue get a 3 seed or even a 6 seed. Hell, if Purdue drops the NU game and their first BTT game, I wouldn't put a 7 seed out of the question given how Purdue has looked over the last 2 weeks.

More than likely Purdue gets the nod as the number one 4 seed which would reflect the AP ranking and the RPI ranking.

 

[boilerzz]

ZZ,

That's a good point; however, I think there're indications that good/great wins mean more than "bad" losses. Butler's two wins over Villanova and one over Arizona are like a life preserver right now, IMO. Candidly, as good as Purdue has looked at times and being the outright Big Ten champ, the Boilers just don't have any win as good as those three (just going by ranking/RPI).

Obviously, the only way to know for sure is come next Sunday. I don't necessarily like it, or agree with it, but I do think the Bulldogs are still ahead of the Boilers. I'm speculating of course, and I'd love to be wrong....I think a 3-seed in Milwaukee would be a great get for Purdue if it could somehow happen.

The official sheet summarizes RPI top 50 wins. It doesn't for top 25 (though it is available). If Butler stumbles early in the BET and Purdue beats three top 50 teams in the BTT, we will pass them IMO.

 

[3AmigosBigDogBabyBoilersBiggie]

Even with the loss yesterday Butler still is ahead of us. They have a much stronger resume. 4-1 against the Top 15.

Several bad losses though

 

[IlluminatiEXPOSETHEMNOW1]

If Purdue isn't a 3 seed they should take it personal because it damn well is. You should take it personal as an offensive slap to the face by these pathetic ACC lackies. It's as simple as that. There is no way in hell Purdue is anything less than a 3 seed and especially if they win out that is absolutely absurd. Butler? Duke as an 8 loss team? IU knocked off Kansas and UNC I refuse to hear that big ten simpering espn garbage. Purdue knocked off Notre Dame. Purdue should of beat Villanova if not for a complete lack of concentration at end of game. Teams like Gonzaga? Give me a break. They play in punk leagues with little chicken little teams that think they're big and bad but ain't. Unless you play in a power five conference your schedule is weak period... Purdue is at bare minimum a 3. If the big ten champion gets a 4???? That is outrageous I'd be livid as a player and out for war in a big way getting slighted like that from some stupid ACC espn crap bias. Livid. ESPN trying to diminish the quality of getting an outright bigten crown is laughable. It's war now for the team they better go to war for the honor of the conference.