2022 Final Four

[collegehoopsfan123]

Looking ahead, Painter teams always improve throughout the year. Purdue has all the offensive firepower and depth.

Get the team defense/toughness on track, and all will end well.

If you like a deep run in the tournament that everyone remembers, Purdue makes this Final Four.

Optimism is all you need, Go Boilers!

 

[BoilerDeac]

Looking ahead, Painter teams always improve throughout the year. Purdue has all the offensive firepower and depth.

Get the team defense/toughness on track, and all will end well.

If you like a deep run in the tournament that everyone remembers, Purdue makes this Final Four.

Optimism is all you need, Go Boilers!

Not sure firepower is there at guard, unfortunately...unless CMP stops the stubbornness and makes Ivey the PG.

Imagine the Memphis Grizzlies relegating Ja Morant to an off-the-ball guard who sometimes is allowed to create for himself and others. Absurd.

That's essentially what CMP is doing with Ivey. Needs to change ASAP.

 

[Level 42]

Not sure firepower is there at guard, unfortunately...unless CMP stops the stubbornness and makes Ivey the PG.

Lol. No. Ivey needs to play more in control first. But please call in to the CMP show and suggest it.

 

[Bleedinggoldandblack]

Build team around
TW and Edney
Morton
Furst -Gillis
Ivey

Give the rest a seat number

 

[mille736]

Lol. No. Ivey needs to play more in control first. But please call in to the CMP show and suggest it.

This is where I’m at, too. I would be fine with IT or whomever playing off the ball and sniping from deep - but Ivey has not shown consistency in decision making. It’s not that he doesn’t see the floor or doesn’t have PG type skills, but he forces things that aren’t there way too often.

 

[bonefish1]

This is where I’m at, too. I would be fine with IT or whomever playing off the ball and sniping from deep - but Ivey has not shown consistency in decision making. It’s not that he doesn’t see the floor or doesn’t have PG type skills, but he forces things that aren’t there way too often.

You guys whining about Ivey being in control, etc.....You do realize he's our best player, one of the best players in the country and a top 5 NBA lottery pick, right?
He HAS to do these things because he's the only guard we have who can get his own shot or create for others.
Unfortunately, for the rest of our guards, if they don't have wide open 3 pt looks, then they're only able to do 2 other things;
1) pass the ball around the perimeter
2) try to dump the ball into the post.
As we saw with WI, when Ivey's not on the floor, the offense is going to struggle, big time.

Painter needs to tell Ivey to not even worry about playing D, keep out of foul trouble and just stay on the floor for 40 mins.

 

[IndySouthsider]

You guys whining about Ivey being in control, etc.....You do realize he's our best player, one of the best players in the country and a top 5 NBA lottery pick, right?
He HAS to do these things because he's the only guard we have who can get his own shot or create for others.
Unfortunately, for the rest of our guards, if they don't have wide open 3 pt looks, then they're only able to do 2 other things;
1) pass the ball around the perimeter
2) try to dump the ball into the post.
As we saw with WI, when Ivey's not on the floor, the offense is going to struggle, big time.

Painter needs to tell Ivey to not even worry about playing D, keep out of foul trouble and just stay on the floor for 40 mins.

Is he playing D now? Not sure painter has to tell him to stop at this point.

Matt has given specific reasons why Ivey won’t be playing the point. He’s been pretty detailed about the reasons as well so I’m not sure why y’all keep screaming about this nonsense.

 

[*4purdue*]

Is he playing D now? Not sure painter has to tell him to stop at this point.

Matt has given specific reasons why Ivey won’t be playing the point. He’s been pretty detailed about the reasons as well so I’m not sure why y’all keep screaming about this nonsense.

Who on this team is playing D now? Ivy will be at the point come the tournament, otherwise we will have a short run. The college game is no longer about D, the rules have changes so much that it’s difficult to play D. Our defense will be shored up and the rotation will be down to 8 at max very soon.

 

[BoilerDeac]

Lol. No. Ivey needs to play more in control first. But please call in to the CMP show and suggest it.

People who respond with "Lol" aren't to be taken seriously. Snarky and pedantic.

Best way to get Ivey to play more in control is to take the training wheels off and let him make mistakes and learn, grow, and improve because of them.

Can't grow if you're not allowed to make mistakes. This goes for anything in life.

I'll take Ivey making mistakes over Hunter and IT, who offer next to nothing from the PG position.

Unless you prefer losing early in the NCAA tournament once again.

 

[BoilerDeac]

This is where I’m at, too. I would be fine with IT or whomever playing off the ball and sniping from deep - but Ivey has not shown consistency in decision making. It’s not that he doesn’t see the floor or doesn’t have PG type skills, but he forces things that aren’t there way too often.

So what's your preference? Continue to let Hunter and IT dribble the ball up the floor?

You know they won't get past the Sweet 16 if that continues to be the case, right?

 

[IndySouthsider]

So what's your preference? Continue to let Hunter and IT dribble the ball up the floor?

You know they won't get past the Sweet 16 if that continues to be the case, right?

I guess that’s their ceiling then. Not my fault you aren’t listening to what the coach is telling you. He couldn’t have been more clear. Ivey isn’t going to be the primary ball handler in this team.

 

[BoilerDeac]

I guess that’s their ceiling then. Not my fault you aren’t listening to what the coach is telling you. He couldn’t have been more clear. Ivey isn’t going to be the primary ball handler in this team.

Well, I guess this team won't reach its ceiling then.

CMP and the lack of final fours will continue.

 

[bonefish1]

Is he playing D now? Not sure painter has to tell him to stop at this point.

Matt has given specific reasons why Ivey won’t be playing the point. He’s been pretty detailed about the reasons as well so I’m not sure why y’all keep screaming about this nonsense.

I'd rather have Ivey play NBA D, then to play really hard D, get in foul trouble and then be taken off the floor.

 

[IndySouthsider]

Well, I guess this team won't reach it's ceiling then.

CMP and the lack of final fours will continue.

I guess that’s the difference in you and some. Some people prefer to watch the game and see the outcomes. You, not so much.

 

[collegehoopsfan123]

Good thoughts here! Ivey should be like Carsen in the tournament with ball in his hands to playmaker for our 3 point shooters as well as our bigs and himself when its there of course.

Still saying this team makes the FF this year.......the North Carolina game has me confident!

 

[collegehoopsfan123]

Road wins look to be EXTRA tough this year.......thank God March Madness is neutral!

 

[mediaexpert]

Build team around
TW and Edney
Morton
Furst -Gillis
Ivey

Give the rest a seat number

What I have observed is that we have PG's dribbling the ball up and it takes about 7-8 seconds to get into our sets. Morton and Ivy can work together to be passing the ball up court quickly with help from Sasha/Newman. They are streaky, but can get the D tired since they have to be chasing them around. If they are not producing put in IT. The glue on the team is Fyrst/Gillis and our strength that will win the NC is Edey/Williams. Morton, Gillis, and Sasha do the best job of feeding the post WHERE the big men need it. I agree Ivey is our best all around player and he needs good solid screens to get open on and off the ball. He can play their PG on D and this will get him NBA ready. If their PG is their best player, we can rotate in IT and Hunter to tire him out by working to bring the ball up. I was also expecting a HUGE jump from Newman and there is still time. So please don't write him off. Once he figures it out, he too can become an elite player.

 

[BoilerDeac]

I guess that’s the difference in you and some. Some people prefer to watch the game and see the outcomes. You, not so much.

Oh, I enjoy seeing the outcomes. But I don't enjoy somewhat predetermined outcomes, especially when there are things that can be done to prevent said predetermined outcomes.

 

[IndySouthsider]

Oh, I enjoy seeing the outcomes. But I don't enjoy somewhat predetermined outcomes, especially when there are things that can be done to prevent said predetermined outcomes.

BoilerDeac or Matt Painter.

I know who I believe in more.

 

[collegehoopsfan123]

2022 Final 4

 

[indyogb]

You guys whining about Ivey being in control, etc.....You do realize he's our best player, one of the best players in the country and a top 5 NBA lottery pick, right?
He HAS to do these things because he's the only guard we have who can get his own shot or create for others.
Unfortunately, for the rest of our guards, if they don't have wide open 3 pt looks, then they're only able to do 2 other things;
1) pass the ball around the perimeter
2) try to dump the ball into the post.
As we saw with WI, when Ivey's not on the floor, the offense is going to struggle, big time.

Painter needs to tell Ivey to not even worry about playing D, keep out of foul trouble and just stay on the floor for 40 mins.

At this point three years ago, we had people whining about Edwards' shot selection (which, to be fair, he was in kind of a slump but just kept firing away, as great players are wont to do). I think that worked out quite well in March, though. Hopefully, our guys can work it out and hit their stride again just at the right time.

 

[mille736]

So what's your preference? Continue to let Hunter and IT dribble the ball up the floor?

You know they won't get past the Sweet 16 if that continues to be the case, right?

I think I understand where you are going with this, but I guess I am going to need more detail in what changes if Ivey brings the ball up. Are you saying he would then initiate the motion offense? I am unsure how much of a difference that would make. If you are saying we would then need to run different plays to have Ivey create, than that’s something different.

I agree with you that we go as far as Ivey takes us in the tournament. But you also have to agree that there is a difference in Ivey creating plays within the flow of the offense vs forcing things in transition. While he does do amazing things in transition, it is also where he makes the most turnovers. He tends to force things that aren’t there, like trying to drive against a packed lane. He has shown flashes of greatness for sure, but he’s also been careless.

 

[PUQBMan.]

I'd rather have Ivey play NBA D, then to play really hard D, get in foul trouble and then be taken off the floor.

This isn’t an either/or situation though. Ivey sure as hell wasn’t playing defense against Wisky and still got into foul trouble. One of his first half fouls was an offensive foul, which goes back to him needing to play under control. There is absolutely no reason that a projected lottery pick can’t play good D without getting into foul trouble.

 

[BoilerDeac]

People who respond with "Lol" aren't to be taken seriously. Snarky and pedantic.

Best way to get Ivey to play more in control is to take the training wheels off and let him make mistakes and learn, grow, and improve because of them.

Can't grow if you're not allowed to make mistakes. This goes for anything in life.

I'll take Ivey making mistakes over Hunter and IT, who offer next to nothing from the PG position.

Unless you prefer losing early in the NCAA tournament once again.

@Russ Ford you seem to enjoy laughing, but I’ve yet to see any sort of insightful, intelligent response. You sure you’re not an IU grad?

 

[BoilerDeac]

BoilerDeac or Matt Painter.

I know who I believe in more.

Ah, yes. Because criticizing Painter is the same as not believing in him.

 

[BoilerDeac]

I think I understand where you are going with this, but I guess I am going to need more detail in what changes if Ivey brings the ball up. Are you saying he would then initiate the motion offense? I am unsure how much of a difference that would make. If you are saying we would then need to run different plays to have Ivey create, than that’s something different.

I agree with you that we go as far as Ivey takes us in the tournament. But you also have to agree that there is a difference in Ivey creating plays within the flow of the offense vs forcing things in transition. While he does do amazing things in transition, it is also where he makes the most turnovers. He tends to force things that aren’t there, like trying to drive against a packed lane. He has shown flashes of greatness for sure, but he’s also been careless.

Yeah, I’m saying both. I understand that Purdue has a half court offense to run, but Ivey needs to be the one who takes the ball up the floor more than he’s been doing so, up to this point.

Allowing Hunter or IT to continue to bring the ball up is a pointless exercise.

With Ivey, there’s at least the threat that he can burn you if you get too close in his grill.

Half court, full court, whatever. He needs to be the one that’s allowed to both bring the ball up and initiate the offense much more than he has.

Ivey is a point guard. He will be one in the NBA, and he needs to be now. He’s our best player by a country mile, even though he certainly can be erratic at times. It is what it is. It comes with the territory. Let him learn and get better with the ball in his hands and as a creator. Just him having the ball puts a different kind of threat + pressure on the defense that no other guard on this team can come close to replicating, and it makes everyone else better.

In 2022, the point guard is your best player. It’s gotta be Ivey.

 

[PUQBMan.]

This isn’t an either/or situation though. Ivey sure as hell wasn’t playing defense against Wisky and still got into foul trouble. One of his first half fouls was an offensive foul, which goes back to him needing to play under control. There is absolutely no reason that a projected lottery pick can’t play good D without getting into foul trouble.

And right on cue Ivey showed out today on defense. That’s the kind of effort we need the rest of the season. He looked like he took it personally today and was dominant on D.

 

[BSIT]

Looking ahead, Painter teams always improve throughout the year. Purdue has all the offensive firepower and depth.

Get the team defense/toughness on track, and all will end well.

If you like a deep run in the tournament that everyone remembers, Purdue makes this Final Four.

Optimism is all you need, Go Boilers!

Get a healthy Furst along with resolving our PG situation and I like our chances

 

[bonefish1]

Get a healthy Furst along with resolving our PG situation and I like our chances

I think the G rotation should be Ivey, SS, Morton and maybe Newman. IT and EH for spot minutes.

 

[collegehoopsfan123]

I think the G rotation should be Ivey, SS, Morton and maybe Newman. IT and EH for spot minutes.

April 2, 2022 will be here before we know it.

 

[collegehoopsfan123]

Get a healthy Furst along with resolving our PG situation and I like our chances

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