Not sure, but Furst can be a 4/5 and Kaufman be 3/4.No doubt I will miss something, but here is where I think we are (not counting any potential transfers)
1. Morton, Smith
2. Newman, Loyer
3. Gillis, Waddel, Heide (? could be 2-4)
4. Furst, Kaufman
5. Edey, Berg
To me this looks like a top-4 BIG team, NCAA 3-4 seed, and a Sweet Sixteen run.
I'll have what you're smokin'... Because that to me looks like an 8-14 place Big Ten team and if the stars align, a bubble team as far as March Madness goes. Where do the points come from? Who on this roster can break down a defense one on one if need be?No doubt I will miss something, but here is where I think we are (not counting any potential transfers)
1. Morton, Smith
2. Newman, Loyer
3. Gillis, Waddel, Heide (? could be 2-4)
4. Furst, Kaufman
5. Edey, Berg
To me this looks like a top-4 BIG team, NCAA 3-4 seed, and a Sweet Sixteen run.
The backcourt will probably be the worst in the Big Ten,...
NopeNo doubt I will miss something, but here is where I think we are (not counting any potential transfers)
1. Morton, Smith
2. Newman, Loyer
3. Gillis, Waddel, Heide (? could be 2-4)
4. Furst, Kaufman
5. Edey, Berg
To me this looks like a top-4 BIG team, NCAA 3-4 seed, and a Sweet Sixteen run.
Our backcourt will limit this team. If we hung on to the 3rd spot last year, but lost a potential top 5 draft pick and a leader at the PG. There is no possible way we're top 4.No doubt I will miss something, but here is where I think we are (not counting any potential transfers)
1. Morton, Smith
2. Newman, Loyer
3. Gillis, Waddel, Heide (? could be 2-4)
4. Furst, Kaufman
5. Edey, Berg
To me this looks like a top-4 BIG team, NCAA 3-4 seed, and a Sweet Sixteen run.
I think Morton could be the wildcard here that could propel us into top 4 contention. I’m not as bullish on smith as a true freshman. Morton showed he can be an elite defender and was as good or better than Hunter or IT at shooting the occasional 3 or driving to the basket. Painter has always been very high on him.
So the debbie downers aside and without knowing what transfers come in, that lineup I think by the end of the year will be fun to watch. I've seen several posts that are down on Morton being a PG, but he is an exceptional passer and that is what the PG role is (mainly) in Painter's system.No doubt I will miss something, but here is where I think we are (not counting any potential transfers)
1. Morton, Smith
2. Newman, Loyer
3. Gillis, Waddel, Heide (? could be 2-4)
4. Furst, Kaufman
5. Edey, Berg
To me this looks like a top-4 BIG team, NCAA 3-4 seed, and a Sweet Sixteen run.
6 of the 11 guys you listed have not played a second of college ball. Uh oh!No doubt I will miss something, but here is where I think we are (not counting any potential transfers)
1. Morton, Smith
2. Newman, Loyer
3. Gillis, Waddel, Heide (? could be 2-4)
4. Furst, Kaufman
5. Edey, Berg
To me this looks like a top-4 BIG team, NCAA 3-4 seed, and a Sweet Sixteen run.
Smith and Heide will hopefully heal quickly from injuries and be able to contribute. They could help this team if they are 100% for summer workouts. History shows that players who can't compete in the summer are essentially way behind when they join the team in the fall.No doubt I will miss something, but here is where I think we are (not counting any potential transfers)
1. Morton, Smith
2. Newman, Loyer
3. Gillis, Waddel, Heide (? could be 2-4)
4. Furst, Kaufman
5. Edey, Berg
To me this looks like a top-4 BIG team, NCAA 3-4 seed, and a Sweet Sixteen run.
Guard play is the answer to college basketball and how far you will go solve it and you get far don’t and it’s always wait to next year
Painter is not a top ten coach. Top 25, sure. Top 10? No way.
Maybe not the worst, but it's pretty bad. Minnesota should be worse than ours. They even offered Thomson after he went into the portal.
What criteria are you using?
You’re digging deeper by demonstrating a lack of understanding of the different between an opinion and a fact.
Every player in my starting five has played significant ball in the BIG. Uh no!
David does seem to have a weak game. I don't think he needs to state his reasons. We should just accept his unbiased and dickhead debbie-downer opinion as is, right? Why state reasons when you are such an expert at this game.
I understand the desire to get your best / most experienced five on the floor but I don’t see Gillis playing the three this year.No doubt I will miss something, but here is where I think we are (not counting any potential transfers)
1. Morton, Smith
2. Newman, Loyer
3. Gillis, Waddel, Heide (? could be 2-4)
4. Furst, Kaufman
5. Edey, Berg
To me this looks like a top-4 BIG team, NCAA 3-4 seed, and a Sweet Sixteen run.
I think there's a certain Canadian that's likely to challenge your premise of no superstars.
This team would be significantly worse defensively and offensively than last year’s team.No doubt I will miss something, but here is where I think we are (not counting any potential transfers)
1. Morton, Smith
2. Newman, Loyer
3. Gillis, Waddel, Heide (? could be 2-4)
4. Furst, Kaufman
5. Edey, Berg
To me this looks like a top-4 BIG team, NCAA 3-4 seed, and a Sweet Sixteen run.
Personally, I don't see the debbie downer in personal opinions.... unless you're an IU fan.
Berg??? TKR and Gillis can flex to the 3-4 with Furst at the 4-5 and ZE. Just don't see the minutes this year for Berg, but time will tell.
Your starting backcourt has a PG who averaged 2.4 pts a game last year and a SG who averaged 4.6 points a game. Those are the best of the returning guards. UH OH! Just keep your fanboi glasses on and this will be a team that will reach a FF.
Kind of middle of the pack in the Big Ten. If they make the tournament another early exit. Rinse/repeat. That doesn't mean they'll suck, but meh.
I don't think many disagree with what you say here. Your not going to be competitive for a B1G championship every year, especially a year after you've lost 4 of your top 6 players. I think the point of some of the "naysayers" is that with all of our losses we're probably due for one of those rebuilding years. Nothing wrong with that.
Here we go again, Painter has consistently said he can't play 10 guys. He typically gets his rotation down to 8 or 9 by the end of the year. Go look at the box scores for any Purdue team the second half of the year. Nine is being generous, its typically been 8.No doubt I will miss something, but here is where I think we are (not counting any potential transfers)
1. Morton, Smith
2. Newman, Loyer
3. Gillis, Waddel, Heide (? could be 2-4)
4. Furst, Kaufman
5. Edey, Berg
To me this looks like a top-4 BIG team, NCAA 3-4 seed, and a Sweet Sixteen run.
Offensively yes, but wouldn’t say that about our defense. Our best defenders last year were probably Gillis and Morton and they will have plenty of minutes. Our youngsters are expected to be pretty solid defenders. Edey keeps improving and I expect improved minutes from him defensively and hope he continues to get more respect from the zebras. Ivey certainly was very talented on defense but had a lot of brain farts and seemed to take some plays off. I think Newman is an upgrade there.
That was my point about this specific lineup. While Morton and Gillis were two of our better defenders, in this lineup they would be playing out of position against smaller quicker players where I believe they would struggle. Newman fell out of the lineup last year because he couldn’t defend well enough. Teams will put Edey in pick and roll situations which he has struggled with.
Position doesn’t matter on defense for man to man. Morton could guard the 1-4 and Gillis could guard a traditional wing or a post player. It will be matchup driven. Morton was also good at running through switches similar to eastern to avoid the mismatch. Hunter and IT not as much.
Position does matter if no one is able to guard the opposing team’s PG. The only player mentioned in that lineup with the lateral quickness to *potentially* guard a PG is Newman, and he’s not been a very good defender to this point in his career.
