In threads regarding 2016 recruits, folks have mentioned that 2017 is loaded, particularly in Indiana. I don't live in Indiana nor follow recruiting. Can anyone provide more specific detail on the recruits and how they can fit in Purdue's future team? Is there any legitimate Purdue interest?
2017 Recruiting
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These 4 players are all ranked in the top 50 by Rivals:
Paul Scruggs - 6'3" G, ranked #29 by Rivals (Southport HS - Butler commit Joey Brunk's high school)
Kris Wilkes - 6'7" F, ranked #18 by Rivals (North Central HS - Terone/Ronnie Johnson's and Eric Gordon's alma mater)
Jaren Jackson - 6'8" F, ranked #48 by Rivals (Park Tudor HS - Yogi Ferrell's and Trevon Bluiett's alma mater)
Malik Williams - 6'11" C, ranked #47 by Rivals (Fort Wayne Snider HS)
Scruggs, Wilkes, and Jackson are all from Indianapolis, and Williams is from Fort Wayne. Scruggs and Wilkes seem to be a little further developed, whereas the two big men have shown great athleticism and potential. Any of the four would be great gets for Coach Painter. FWIW, Wilkes has expressed interest in Purdue's engineering program.
Paul Scruggs - 6'3" G, ranked #29 by Rivals (Southport HS - Butler commit Joey Brunk's high school)
Kris Wilkes - 6'7" F, ranked #18 by Rivals (North Central HS - Terone/Ronnie Johnson's and Eric Gordon's alma mater)
Jaren Jackson - 6'8" F, ranked #48 by Rivals (Park Tudor HS - Yogi Ferrell's and Trevon Bluiett's alma mater)
Malik Williams - 6'11" C, ranked #47 by Rivals (Fort Wayne Snider HS)
Scruggs, Wilkes, and Jackson are all from Indianapolis, and Williams is from Fort Wayne. Scruggs and Wilkes seem to be a little further developed, whereas the two big men have shown great athleticism and potential. Any of the four would be great gets for Coach Painter. FWIW, Wilkes has expressed interest in Purdue's engineering program.
Performing as a FF team this year will going a long way to cracking the combo to landing the above. Not doing so and Painter can watch as many of those verbal out of state. Monster year coming up for Painter....one way or another.....he has the potential to rise the Purdue program to another level this year, or stay what he has been.
Thanks 6. Reviewing your list it becomes clearer why some have suggested that we bank a scholly or 2 in the wake of the Edwards verbal. We got our '16 PG and can now focus on these 4 in-state guys, among others probably. It's a good situation.
As the 2017 recruiting class comes in, the 2013 class (Stephens and Smotherman) will be graduating. Swanigan could leave after his sophomore season as well.
Wilkes could help replace Smotherman at the 3/4 and Swanigan at the 4, as he can play either forward spot. He is an elite prospect. Jackson seems like a JaJuan Johnson clone..raw, but enormous potential, length, athleticism. Georgetown is in on his recruitment, as his father played there in college and they've already offered. Coach JTIII was at Bankers Life Fieldhouse when Jackson's Park Tudor team won state in the spring. Scruggs is a long-armed combo guard who has experience playing with a big man in Joey Brunk. IIRC, Wilkes and Scruggs visited UK together..that shows the caliber of player those two are. Look for Scruggs' Southport team to go far in the postseason this year. Haven't seen much of Williams, but his high school was one of two teams to defeat Swanigan's state champion Homestead squad last year. Impressive class. Hopefully they stay in state, preferably Purdue.
Wilkes could help replace Smotherman at the 3/4 and Swanigan at the 4, as he can play either forward spot. He is an elite prospect. Jackson seems like a JaJuan Johnson clone..raw, but enormous potential, length, athleticism. Georgetown is in on his recruitment, as his father played there in college and they've already offered. Coach JTIII was at Bankers Life Fieldhouse when Jackson's Park Tudor team won state in the spring. Scruggs is a long-armed combo guard who has experience playing with a big man in Joey Brunk. IIRC, Wilkes and Scruggs visited UK together..that shows the caliber of player those two are. Look for Scruggs' Southport team to go far in the postseason this year. Haven't seen much of Williams, but his high school was one of two teams to defeat Swanigan's state champion Homestead squad last year. Impressive class. Hopefully they stay in state, preferably Purdue.
Nice video. He does run the floor well, doesn't he? Like "get the hell out of my way or pay."
A bit thin, and I'm sure he's still acclimating to his own body, but he does have some surprising versatility IMO.
He's got great handles for somebody that tall. And he doesn't look like a low-post type player to me. He plays like a wing. It's just one video but damn I like it so far.
2017 starting lineup:
PG: C. Edwards
SG: R. Cline
SF: D. Mathias
PF: V. Edwards
C: I. Haas
Dang. We are GOOD for the next three years.
Exactly Schnelk........this kid could be a NBA type 4 in a PU uniform, if PU would get him that is
I think we need to dial it back a bit - performing as a Final Four team this year otherwise they go elsewhere?
First off, you can accomplish a hell of a lot without making the Final Four.
Secondly, Purdue made the tournament last year, but there's a LOT between that and being a Final Four quality team. I am no doubt excited for this season, but Purdue's not even ranked in most pre-season polls and you're talking like you'll be disappointed in a season that doesn't see us making the Final Four.
I think people need to be a bit more realistic at this point.
Painter has accomplished a lot w/out a FF, his recruiting is and will continue to be ~OK, after all he landed CS without a FF.....but yes most definitely, to raise the program to another level and compete for top 60 kids consistently instead of sporadically, he needs one under his belt. So I stand by my statement......in terms of on court production, 2016 is a big year for Painter, and if CS stays two years 17 will be a big year too. A lot of potential to raise Purdue to another level right directly here in the immediate future.
I think you're coming up with random benchmarks.
First off, a lot of recruiting is luck. A lot of people talked about Cuonzo's amazing recruiting skills. Well, he recruited a couple great players to Tennessee that were from Tennessee (who wanted to play in-state) and then at Cal, one of his giant pick-ups was a kid from Oakland - literally down the street from Cal. Sometimes those things can be your worst enemy - some kids just don't want to or care about staying close to home. But more often than not - it's an advantage.
Painter's first class just came together and was a literal perfect storm. Three very talented kids, very different skill sets, all different positions. However, it also came with a sever disadvantage - you had three great 4 year players who were going to start for pretty much four years. That's hard to recruit to. Not saying it's impossible, but that's a tough sell these days.
Then you have an example like Glenn Robinson III - a lot of legacies go to their alma mater - some just do not want any part of it. Glenn Robinson III was just flat out unlucky for Purdue.
So to sit there and say "you have to go to a Final Four" to get consistent "top 60" (not sure who came up with the benchmark of top 60) is just setting random benchmarks. Of course the more success you have, in theory, the easier it is to recruit.
But you also see ebbs and flows to almost every program in the country. You aren't going to become Michigan State or Kentucky overnight. When's the last time UNC made a Final Four? Seven years! They have more talent than almost every team out there.
There's only 11 teams in the entire country that have been to 5 or more straight NCAA Tournaments.
There's 16 teams in the entire country that have been to more than 3 straight NCAA Tournaments.
I think people have these irrational standards and expectations.
Okay, wait a minute.... let's say the final four teams each recruit 5 players, that accounts for 20 of the top 60. So how do the other 40 players decide? What nonsense! I think you are way over-valuing the impact of having an FF team on recruiting. Being an FF team certainly helps for the next year, but Purdue is never going to be a one-and-done NBA pre-school like UK. Neither will Purdue ever fall into the athlete factory category like O$U or UNC. I don't think you would want the athletes from those schools representing academics at your school. I think you have misplaced your measuring stick.
First of all, its a joke that we are currently not ranked in preseason polls. I am okay with it though so we can be the so called underdogs and surprise people. Going to the Final Four would be awesome but in my eyes making it to the sweet sixteen would be nice as well. Like mentioned there are lots of good teams out there and competition is high. I cant wait for this season.
It shouldn't be that hard to look at a team's two year recruiting before and after a final four. Of particular note should be teams that reached a new level, like Maryland in 2002, MSU in 1999, VCU in 2011, Wichita State in 2013, Butler in 2010, Utah 1998, IU 2002, Michigan 2013.
If the teams experienced a big jump in recruiting after the FF appearance, then one can more easily argue that there's a big effect. We must remember it's just a correlation though.
I think everyone here agrees there would be some recruiting benefit - the dispute is how much. I tend to think it'd be an immediate significant impact, but that effect falls to nil more than 2 classes after.
If the teams experienced a big jump in recruiting after the FF appearance, then one can more easily argue that there's a big effect. We must remember it's just a correlation though.
I think everyone here agrees there would be some recruiting benefit - the dispute is how much. I tend to think it'd be an immediate significant impact, but that effect falls to nil more than 2 classes after.
I'd say a lot more polished. JJ was an All-American after his senior year, but he was pretty goofy as a freshman. I think he averaged like 5 points and 3 boards that year.
And pretty intimidated on the defensive end quite often. But I remember his break out game (30 points?) at OSU his sophomore year.
