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2017 prospects

Probable: I don't put any of them in the probable range right now

Possible: Jackson Jr., Williams, Jordan Goodwin (I added him)

improbable: Young, Tillman (Both of these seem to be leaning Michigan. Hard to guess on them)

No way: Eastern, Scruggs, Wilkes,
 
Out of the HS prospects listed in Brian's article earlier this week, which one (or ones) do you believe Purdue will get a signed LOI from this November?

-Nojel Eastern
-Jaren Jackson
-Xavier Tillman
-Paul Scruggs
-Kris Wilkes
-Malik Williams
-Kyle Young

https://purdue.n.rivals.com/news/pu...ting-class-could-be-a-pivotal-one-for-program

I hear Bane and Wilkes play for the same AAU team, so if Purdue offers Bane I hope that influences Wilkes in some way, but I doubt it.

It seems like Williams and Jackson have been the most heavily recruited by Painter, and given our success with post players I like our chances with them the best.

Honestly though, if we get any 3 of these guys, it'll be a great class.
 
The only common answer so far has been Malik Williams. I could see him being an effective stretch 4 or 5 but I'm sure his D could use some improvement.
 
The only common answer so far has been Malik Williams. I could see him being an effective stretch 4 or 5 but I'm sure his D could use some improvement.
Never watched the guy play. Do you think he could become a similar player to JaJuan Johnson? If so that would be great.
 
I hear Bane and Wilkes play for the same AAU team, so if Purdue offers Bane I hope that influences Wilkes in some way, but I doubt it.

It seems like Williams and Jackson have been the most heavily recruited by Painter, and given our success with post players I like our chances with them the best.

Honestly though, if we get any 3 of these guys, it'll be a great class.

Bane plays for Indiana Elite (Adidas) and Wilkes plays with Scruggs on the Indy Hoosiers (Under Armour).
 
Never watched the guy play. Do you think he could become a similar player to JaJuan Johnson? If so that would be great.
His current body is very much like JJ. I have watched him twice and would love to have him at PU. He has a ways to go to be a great B1G player, but you can certainly see the potential and why so many programs are after him.
 
His current body is very much like JJ. I have watched him twice and would love to have him at PU. He has a ways to go to be a great B1G player, but you can certainly see the potential and why so many programs are after him.
He has a much better outside shot than JJ. I always thought JJ was very good with his back to the basket and took a while to develop playing facing the basket. I feel the opposite is true of Williams.
 
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He has a much better outside shot than JJ. I always thought JJ was very good with his back to the basket and took a while to develop playing facing the basket. I feel the opposite is true of Williams.
Agreed. He plays away from the basket much more than JJ did. I was just saying that his body would remind many of JJ. Very thin and wiry.

He has a long way to go, but man you can see the potential for sure!
 
Probable: I don't put any of them in the probable range right now

Possible: Jackson Jr., Williams, Jordan Goodwin (I added him)

improbable: Young, Tillman (Both of these seem to be leaning Michigan. Hard to guess on them)

No way: Eastern, Scruggs, Wilkes,


I am willing to bet that we don't land a single one of these guys on this list. It would seem like Purdue should be able to land a couple of their top targets for 2017 with it looking like some huge turnover in 2017-2018 but I am not feeling confident that we will get anyone on this list. I know it's early and these predictions are not 100% but if you look at the crystal ball predictions on everyone above not one person is predicting any of these guys to Purdue. You would think at least one pro Purdue guy would stick his neck out and predict one of these guys to Purdue but not a single one does. It will be scary if we have a good showing again next year in the regular season and solid showing in the tournament s16 or e8 and lose Biggie, Vince and Isaac going into 2017 without some of these studs to come in a keep us in the upper echelon of the Bigten. I really hope we don't hold all of these open schollies for the 2017 class because I have a feeling we could come up empty handed after next year.
 
why predict when no one is sure and then gets made to look like a liar or a know nothing on the board if the player goes elsewhere, too many variables and things that change to predict where a top player will go for sure
 
I am willing to bet that we don't land a single one of these guys on this list. It would seem like Purdue should be able to land a couple of their top targets for 2017 with it looking like some huge turnover in 2017-2018 but I am not feeling confident that we will get anyone on this list. I know it's early and these predictions are not 100% but if you look at the crystal ball predictions on everyone above not one person is predicting any of these guys to Purdue. You would think at least one pro Purdue guy would stick his neck out and predict one of these guys to Purdue but not a single one does. It will be scary if we have a good showing again next year in the regular season and solid showing in the tournament s16 or e8 and lose Biggie, Vince and Isaac going into 2017 without some of these studs to come in a keep us in the upper echelon of the Bigten. I really hope we don't hold all of these open schollies for the 2017 class because I have a feeling we could come up empty handed after next year.
What Purdue people make Crystal Ball predictions, anymore? I wouldn't expect to see a Purdue perspective reflected on 247.
 
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I am willing to bet that we don't land a single one of these guys on this list. It would seem like Purdue should be able to land a couple of their top targets for 2017 with it looking like some huge turnover in 2017-2018 but I am not feeling confident that we will get anyone on this list. I know it's early and these predictions are not 100% but if you look at the crystal ball predictions on everyone above not one person is predicting any of these guys to Purdue. You would think at least one pro Purdue guy would stick his neck out and predict one of these guys to Purdue but not a single one does. It will be scary if we have a good showing again next year in the regular season and solid showing in the tournament s16 or e8 and lose Biggie, Vince and Isaac going into 2017 without some of these studs to come in a keep us in the upper echelon of the Bigten. I really hope we don't hold all of these open schollies for the 2017 class because I have a feeling we could come up empty handed after next year.

I guess that would be the worst-case scenario (a la 2011 with Branden Dawson, Chasson Randle, Jonathan Holmes, Cannen Cunningham, etc. all going elsewhere and ending up with two guys that eventually transferred in Donnie Hale and Jacob Lawson).

I have no real reason for believing it, but I just feel confident that they will be able to get a LOI from either Jaren Jackson, Jr. or Williams.
 
I am willing to bet that we don't land a single one of these guys on this list. It would seem like Purdue should be able to land a couple of their top targets for 2017 with it looking like some huge turnover in 2017-2018 but I am not feeling confident that we will get anyone on this list. I know it's early and these predictions are not 100% but if you look at the crystal ball predictions on everyone above not one person is predicting any of these guys to Purdue. You would think at least one pro Purdue guy would stick his neck out and predict one of these guys to Purdue but not a single one does. It will be scary if we have a good showing again next year in the regular season and solid showing in the tournament s16 or e8 and lose Biggie, Vince and Isaac going into 2017 without some of these studs to come in a keep us in the upper echelon of the Bigten. I really hope we don't hold all of these open schollies for the 2017 class because I have a feeling we could come up empty handed after next year.

There is your first mistake... Looking at Crystal Ball.
 
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I am willing to bet that we don't land a single one of these guys on this list. It would seem like Purdue should be able to land a couple of their top targets for 2017 with it looking like some huge turnover in 2017-2018 but I am not feeling confident that we will get anyone on this list. I know it's early and these predictions are not 100% but if you look at the crystal ball predictions on everyone above not one person is predicting any of these guys to Purdue. You would think at least one pro Purdue guy would stick his neck out and predict one of these guys to Purdue but not a single one does. It will be scary if we have a good showing again next year in the regular season and solid showing in the tournament s16 or e8 and lose Biggie, Vince and Isaac going into 2017 without some of these studs to come in a keep us in the upper echelon of the Bigten. I really hope we don't hold all of these open schollies for the 2017 class because I have a feeling we could come up empty handed after next year.

Also, if you look at Crystal Ball... The minute someone visits that school, that school typically becomes the "Crystal Ball" projection.

FWIW, our last two signees (Biggie & Edwards) had 0% projections.
 
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Right now, Malik Williams is probably too skinny to be able to defend any high-quality college 5's in the paint but he could definitely try to drag them out to mid-range or the perimeter (assuming opposition doesn't play in any type of zone D), like we're seeing with many opponents vs. Purdue's bigs (Hammons and now Haas and Swanigan) in recent times.
 
Right now, Malik Williams is probably too skinny to be able to defend any high-quality college 5's in the paint but he could definitely try to drag them out to mid-range or the perimeter (assuming opposition doesn't play in any type of zone D), like we're seeing with many opponents vs. Purdue's bigs (Hammons and now Haas and Swanigan) in recent times.
He sounds like he could be effective paired with a Swannigan like PF who could defend a bigger body 5. A mobile big can be very effective against zones by working the lanes from the weak side to the rim created when the zone shifts to stop dribble or pass penetration. He and CS together would be fun to watch.
 
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As already noted, we will most assuredly be wrong on guesses, but I like to dream - and the last few have been:

(2017)

5 - Isaac Haas & Xavier Tillman
4 - Vince Edwards & Malik Williams
3 - Jackson Jr & Basil Smotherman
2 - Dakota Mathias & Ryan Cline
1 - Carsen Edwards, Nojel Eastern & PJ

(2018)

5 - Xavier Tillman
4 - Malik Williams
3 - Jackson Jr & Nojel Eastern
2 - Ryan Cline & Nojel Eastern
1 - Carsen Edwards & Robert Phinisee


Those are top 10 teams ! The problem with the dream is that it will look pretty compelling for other kids with offers too, so I expect a few early commits to shuffle the names some.
 
For some reason I feel Jackson will choose Notre Dame......just a feeling he might...no facts, just a gut on reading his articles and process.

Hope I am wrong......I think we will get a mixed bag in 2017...we will get some top tier and some projects with high potential.

All 100% positive...Boiler Up!
 
He sounds like he could be effective paired with a Swannigan like PF who could defend a bigger body 5. A mobile big can be very effective against zones by working the lanes from the weak side to the rim created when the zone shifts to stop dribble or pass penetration. He and CS together would be fun to watch.

I wouldn't count on Swanigan or a Swanigan-like player being around if Malik Williams chooses Purdue. CS seems like he wants to leave college and turn pro ASAP, but he needs confirmation from pro scouts, trainers and so forth. I think CS will return but that next season will be his final season.
 
I wouldn't count on Swanigan or a Swanigan-like player being around if Malik Williams chooses Purdue. CS seems like he wants to leave college and turn pro ASAP, but he needs confirmation from pro scouts, trainers and so forth. I think CS will return but that next season will be his final season.

Wanting and doing are sometimes not the same......He will have to improve SO much to even be in the 1st round G money IMO.....I see him here longer. But who knows maybe the D or Europe league gains his interest....or he makes a HUGE leap in skill and shows what he needs to next year.....which would make him next year all B1G 1st team...and that is sure OK too.
 
I wouldn't count on Swanigan or a Swanigan-like player being around if Malik Williams chooses Purdue. CS seems like he wants to leave college and turn pro ASAP, but he needs confirmation from pro scouts, trainers and so forth. I think CS will return but that next season will be his final season.

I didn't include CS in my dream - I agree that he will most likely go next year. If not, I'll be happy to miss out. As for CS-like player, I doubt he would have a problem splitting time with Vince on a top 10 team and getting to hone his skills against an NBA player for a year.

I think Painter should be able to sell that by showing the development of Isaac, Biggie and Vince by being around AJ and . . each other.
 
For some reason I feel Jackson will choose Notre Dame......just a feeling he might...no facts, just a gut on reading his articles and process.

Hope I am wrong All 100% positive...Boiler Up!

With all due respect, . . . me too ! ! ! I do think it's important for Matt to get a couple of these guys committed early to show Jackson Jr and Malik the potential. (Guys like an Eastern and a Tillman being added to Cline and Carsen might do it !)

Going back to dream land ! Trying to dream up an even bigger scenario ! - lots of stars . . .lots of stars ! Will they be 3, 4 or 5 to start out ? ? ?
 
I wouldn't count on Swanigan or a Swanigan-like player being around if Malik Williams chooses Purdue. CS seems like he wants to leave college and turn pro ASAP, but he needs confirmation from pro scouts, trainers and so forth. I think CS will return but that next season will be his final season.
Yes. I agree. To bad. I like the that type of front court.
 
If Caleb can average 15 pts, 10 rebs, and an improved 3 next year he will be gone. Rebounding should be easy for him since AJ was such a big rebounding presence and now he's gone. I'm not sure Caleb will be able to make a massive offensive jump though but I hope he does because it would only help next years squad.
 
If Caleb can average 15 pts, 10 rebs, and an improved 3 next year he will be gone. Rebounding should be easy for him since AJ was such a big rebounding presence and now he's gone. I'm not sure Caleb will be able to make a massive offensive jump though but I hope he does because it would only help next years squad.

Basketball doesn't necessarily work that way. Your teammates help your stats. For example, teams keyed in on AJ so much - up to triple teaming him - which gave Swanigan more space. He REALLY struggled at times when a team had a competent defender on him, let alone when a defense will key on him (which will happen more next year). It also is the same idea for rebounding - on both ends (i.e. Hammons caused a lot of missed shots and rebounding opportunities because of his presence - something that's TBD next year).

Going into next year, he will be in tandem with a somewhat new partner with Haas (they played together last year, but obviously Haas will have more "brunt" of the minutes). And Haas is also a bit of a different kind of defender. This year, quite frankly, I don't think our interior defense was AS good as Hammons cleaned up a lot of Swanigan's mistakes. Swanigan definitely improved, but he's going to be more on the spotlight - on both ends - next year.

15 pts/10 rebounds/improved 3 is a LOT. AJ didn't even average those pts/rebounds.

And quite frankly, the actual points/rebounds weren't so much Swanigan's issue. His efficiency was an issue (yeah he got some good "points" games, but not really in a very efficient way many of the times). He led the team in turnovers - by a whopping 25!

He obviously wants 3 point shooting to be a thing, but the offensive efficiency and turnovers are his problems right now. He can average 15 points and 10 rebounds, but if he's turning the ball over 90 times and shooting under 50%, that's only going to get him so far....
 
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I'm starting to think our best chances in this class are Kyle Young, Jaren Jackson Jr., and Malik Williams.

That would be a really good one. So many good combinations with this class. I'd take Tillman, Jackson Jr and Jalen Hudson too ! I think Jalen could easily be last year's Ray at the 3, leaving the 2 for Dakota and Ryan
 
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