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Never let a good crisis go to waste.....

Boiler Buck
Katscratch said:
  1. So wy don't you want a competent president? Gawd yes.
To do that I'm kinda partial to someone who doesn't incite this:

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  1. Was the economy too good (under Trump)? Nope.
  2. Was not having wars too good? lol - as if Trump helped with that
  3. Why have Democrats become so war hungry? I.E; "trust me bro, they are."
  4. Was having a stronger southern border too good? That's nice. Covid made the border even stronger! Obama did more deporting. Trump was fine on the border, but he wasn't special by any means.
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I try to stay out of this back in forth until I see outright lies.

Trump was exceptional on the economy pre-Covid.
You know this.

You are extremely twisting the facts by saying NOPE he wasn't. Your answer likely includes covid year which would be very unfair to any politician to include since the world was shut down...thus the economy was shut down.
You know this too -- That's why your response is a lie.
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One Really Violent Day

Riveting
Or this guy, who apparently wandered on to the stage in a vp debate last night, providing some great comedy material.

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VP Candidate Tim Walz on "There's No Guarantee to Free Speech on Misinformation or Hate Speech, and Especially Around Our Democracy"

Robby Soave at Reason writes about this 2022 quote from Walz (MSNBC): https://youtu.be/y8ns76RCmWs : … I want to talk about what you just mentioned
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Never let a good crisis go to waste.....

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Bank Shot Podcast said:
So wy don't you want a competent president? Was the economy too good? Was not having wars too good? Why have Democrats become so war hungry? Was having a stronger southern border too good?
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  1. So wy don't you want a competent president? Gawd yes.
To do that I'm kinda partial to someone who doesn't incite this:

220711145103-01-january-6-riot-confederate-flag-capitol.jpg


  1. Was the economy too good (under Trump)? Nope.
  2. Was not having wars too good? lol - as if Trump helped with that
  3. Why have Democrats become so war hungry? I.E; "trust me bro, they are."
  4. Was having a stronger southern border too good? That's nice. Covid made the border even stronger! Obama did more deporting. Trump was fine on the border, but he wasn't special by any means.
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Boiler Buck
Watched finally. To be clear, the moderators last night were terrible. Not as bad as ABC. But clearly unfair......
**They broke their own rules in fact checking.
**They worded questions specifically to benefit the Dem candidate.
**Climate change 2nd question, Come on. Lol
**Didn't even ask a question on energy the main driver of American economy. Why ..benefits Rs
** Used their discretion several times to give TW follow ups, not as many for JDV
** They tried correcting JDV, each time incorrectly.

I could go on. But you get the point.

The reason this is NOT the story this AM is that JDV conducted a MASTER CLASS in how to do a debate. Even fact checking, the moderators own fact check and tactfully embarrassed them. Best debate performance since Pres O's first term (O was poor in debates in Term 2). JDV was special last night.

Although my wife said TW did ok, I did not think so.....
1. His answer to his Tiananmen Square question was a disaster.....called himself a knucklehead lol....that's a debate first. 🤣
2. Sweaty and looked uncomfortable.
3. And yes, he did say, he was friends with school shooters - lol
4. Got better as debate went on, but that was a low bar as he had a shakey start.
5. Did not sound Presidential. Talked alot about MN which made him look like he did not have a large understanding beyond MN borders.
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Purdue recruiting Kaden Gebhart recaps Purdue visit

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2026 three-star safety and #Purdue priority Kaden Gebhardt talks visit to West Lafayette, what he saw from the Boilers’ defense, upcoming #BigTen visits and more.

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Three-star safety Kaden Gebhardt recaps his recent Purdue visit, lays out future visit plans and more with Boiler Upload
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Never let a good crisis go to waste.....

Bank Shot Podcast
Purdue95Grad said:
Yes, yes. Reminding folks that the Trump family has defrauded charities is TDS. Just another broken-brain maga response.
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So wy don't you want a competent president? Was the economy too good? Was not having wars too good? Why have Democrats become so war hungry? Was having a stronger southern border too good?
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SKYDOG
Katscratch said:
True.

Biden has been forced out, and the Trump threat to democracy lives on.
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Not so fast my friend. Biden being force out being the elected candidate by the voting public and Harris appointed by the DNC with no one voting for her is the threat to democracy. Go to the polls and vote, but it doesn’t matter. Democrats will do whatever they want regardless of the people’s vote.
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Boiler Buck
Katscratch said:
I think the Biden/basement strategy is in play.

There is a real, proven to be successful, mindset that if the election is about Trump the Dems will win.

It happens in down-ballot races to the Dem's benefit too. That's why last night was a very good one for the Republicans; Vance was in front of a national audience, not Trump. Whereas the Dems are very much a fan of voters hearing as much of Trump as possible.

You want unscripted? So does Harris - she is practically begging Trump to do a second debate - no notes or teleprompters involved.
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True ...Trump is a buffoon old guy
True....He is a poor communicator many times. But this discussion isn't about Trump.

A debate, one whom can memorize, can prepare for - and have answers ready for questions that anyone can guess generally what they would be.

What K2 can't do is handle the scrutiny of follow up questions, or handle follow up questions on her MANY flip flops.

The above is why they will let her do a debate. But will not let her do a press conference....because they know she is poor at it.....and was during her tenure of VP. She cannot think on her feet. They remember her disastrous interview about the border, and her other train wreck interviews, and thus her OWN people won't let her do a serious press conference.

It's only a basement strategy because like Biden she is not anywhere close to good at the press conference....can't think on her feet.
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Walters

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GeistBoiler said:
I know a lot of people on here compare Walters to Hazell, which is justified given the record and performance to date. With that said, I find Coach Walters infinitely more likable, humble, and someone that I genuinely want to do well here.

I abandoned Hazell about 3 games into his tenure, but if Walters can hold this team and his recruiting class together after the abysmal start to this season, I think he deserves our support. His defense is showing clear improvement and he is now making obvious effort to repair the inept offense that has held him back since he got here. He also appears to be more disappointed than any of us with the results on the field, which tells me he cares about what is happening here vs. just cashing a check.

So far, I think his biggest mistake has been in trusting the wrong person with his Offense whilst having an unforgiving schedule. Although obvious self-preservation, I think pulling the trigger on Harrell is more than just a symbolic act and and actually gives Walters a chance to rebound. Hopefully he course corrected before it's too late.

Boiler up!
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Walters is not Darrell hazell and would have easily been .500 with some of those schedules, the state of some of those big ten programs at the time and no NIL. People are just going to extremes on everything these days. Everything is either the greatest thing ever or the worst.

Right now he’s in line with Jim Coletto. It’s refreshing that he was made to fire his OC in 16 games and unlike coletto, he will either right the ship or be fired after the bucket game. He needs 3 more wins to even get a third year and even then his seat will be hot. He would need 6 wins to get a 4th year with next years schedule.

I’m against a move before revenue sharing unless he’s absolutely horrid 3-9. I want our next coach to be hired from a list of who wants to come here with revenue sharing. No one will want to have this meager NIL backing them with no sharing.

That’s how we got Walters
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Who signs with Purdue this fall?

ChoiceBeef
Heads up BOILER said:
I wonder if this is in response to what SWA posted the night before about his visit and rumors that Kansas is out on him making Purdue a landing spot of increased likelihood? I take this as a sign that he is leaning toward Purdue and we could see him commit soon if he’s picking Purdue to get ahead of SWA.?. I also may be completely off base and reading too much into this.
I am really high on Singleton and as I have said a few times think he’s the better get between him and Sisley.
If he commits before SWA is ready to make his decision but both choose Purdue I can’t imagine that Paint would not take both of them. If both leaning Purdue, this could become a race to be the first to commit! 🤔🤷🏼‍♂️
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Good points. Wonder if it is similar to Furst and TKR? I don’t know if one is more traditional 4/5 and the other is hybrid 4/5? Curious how this all plays out.

I did see Singleton has a visit at ND this weekend but not sure their chances considering their recent recruiting haul. Granted, Micah is still building so he can promise playing time.
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I find the vitriol on Walters a little odd

Chi-Boiler
BCfanatic2020 said:
For a lot of reasons. I get not thinking he’s good. I always wanted him to do well for taking a job that became much worse of a job as NIL was ramping up. Thought of him as a guy who took the call when other better candidates likely never answered or laughed.

The thing that’s odd to me is that other than late hazell, I don’t remember there being this much vitriol in 26 years of following this team. Not even …

When Danny hope needed Ricardo Allen to block a field goal to save Purdue from overtime against 2-10 middle Tennessee state before losing to 4-8 rice the next week, not close.

Here’s why it’s odd as well. Here are some winning percentages excluding our big winners and hazell (who belongs in a class with Harrell and Bobby Diaco).

Akers 28.4
Walters 33.3
Coletto 34.1
Burtnett 38.4

And that’s with way way way tougher scheduling than say Danny Hope had to deal with.

Maybe some of you older guys can weigh in here. I asked a couple of Purdue fans if there was this much anger in years 2 of Akers and Coletto and the answer I got was… no. By the end maybe, but not 16 games in.

When revenue sharing starts I think the Purdue job will be more attractive. If that hasn’t happened this offseason and Walters is already fired, I think people are going to be surprised by who is actually interested. I don’t think we get 1997 Joe tiller or 2017 Jeff brohm
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The difference between the 1990s (or earlier) and today? Social media and message boards. Its so much easier to raise your voice to the masses and think you're the only one that has the answers, even if there are no answers.
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Boiler Buck said:
Yes K2 can read a speech prompter. She does that well. She memorized her answers to subject matter questions and sounded reasonably coherent at the debate.

But after the Oprah interview, which followed her previous many many word salad answers, no one serious can say she is an effective communicator on her feet.

Her own people know this to be true. Why do you think they won't let her do a long press conference?
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I think the Biden/basement strategy is in play.

There is a real, proven to be successful, mindset that if the election is about Trump the Dems will win.

It happens in down-ballot races to the Dem's benefit too. That's why last night was a very good one for the Republicans; Vance was in front of a national audience, not Trump. Whereas the Dems are very much a fan of voters hearing as much of Trump as possible.

You want unscripted? So does Harris - she is practically begging Trump to do a second debate - no notes or teleprompters involved.
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I find the vitriol on Walters a little odd

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mdclaxton said:
I do remember a lot of anger early on in the Hope days similar to what we have now. The reason being in both cases that we had a taste of success, and failed to build on it by hiring a competent head coach. Akers and Coletto were before my time too, but I think there was less anger in those days because we hadn't really had that taste of success that we had with Tiller and with Brohm.
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I don’t remember it being anything close. People thought he was a cheap hire and a lot of people wanted Brock spack. It wasn’t like this. On3 is a tough read right now. And some of the people saying that are posters that were here in 2003..
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Flooded Areas ....Prayers Support Samaritans Purse & Red Cross to Help

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TwinDegrees2 said:
I believe in a just God. I don't question his intent, because only He knows.
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So you believe your god has a good reason for women and children being buried in mud slides.........and even though you don't understand why he would cause or allow such things to happen, you don't question it because you trust god and he is fair? Did these dead people do something to deserve what happened to them? Or is god just going to make things right when they arrive at the pearly gates?

It's mind blowing that you question everything and look for conspiracies in your politics on earth but believe everything you read in an old book about some god whose existence can't ge proven in any way. What a way to live.
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4 games in.

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New Pal Boiler said:
No one was saying Brohm was Tiller, Mollenkopf, or Young.

Some of us were just saying that he was a competent head coach, and blaming him for Walter’s obvious incompetence was ridiculous.
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I think there’s blameworthy things he did (or rather didn’t do) that would have affected any new coach. That doesn’t make Walters good.

However, had he assembled a roster like tiller did after 6 years, the same team I watched last year would have easily been 6-6 even with Harrell and even with Walters not being ready.

I have two questions for you:

1. NIL just legalized cheating. If you were buying players before, you’ll do well now. Or if you have a billionaire donor who cares about sports. Purdue doesn’t have the latter (not the kind willing to buy players; maybe volleyball facilities) and hasn’t done the former since about 1970.

Do you think Bobinski heard back from way better coaches and was just like “nope, Ryan Walters.” Or do you think Purdue just isn’t that great of a job?

2. Take the roster the day after the bowl game. Everyone here who would have been at Purdue in 2023 if no one transferred

How many do you think would start for the 2003 team? (The team after tiller was here for 6 years; which is how long brohm was here by December 2022)
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Boiler Buck
Katscratch said:
Harris on policy or waffling on committing to policies? Not good.

But the 'word salad' narrative on Harris is pure myth. She is out in public speaking all of the time and for the vast majority of the time she is quite good at it. Vance is excellent at it. Walz is fine; not as good as Vance or Harris, but fine. Trump is a complete disaster.

Some out of context sound bites in a lifetime of public speaking are destined to be less than optimum.
For instance;
  • Vance made that "childless cat ladies" snarky comment in front of a partisan audience a few years ago. So what. It just doesn't matter and isn't a derogatory reflection on his ability to communicate well.
  • Similarly, last night Walz was speaking too quickly and said "I've become friends with school shooters" when he clearly meant that he's become friends with families of school shooters. So what. It just doesn't matter.
What bothers me is when a candidate is clearly compromised in their ability to communicate well enough to be a leader (Biden), or when a candidate's deliberate, repeated words are the antithesis of good leadership qualities (Trump).

And please don't merely respond to this post with a laugh emoji if you disagree -- say so and say why; if you are a fan of effective communication show some yourself.
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Yes K2 can read a speech prompter. She does that well. She memorized her answers to subject matter questions and sounded reasonably coherent at the debate.

But after the Oprah interview, which followed her previous many many word salad answers, no one serious can say she is an effective communicator on her feet.

Her own people know this to be true. Why do you think they won't let her do a long press conference?
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I find the vitriol on Walters a little odd

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BCfanatic2020 said:
For a lot of reasons. I get not thinking he’s good. I always wanted him to do well for taking a job that became much worse of a job as NIL was ramping up. Thought of him as a guy who took the call when other better candidates likely never answered or laughed.

The thing that’s odd to me is that other than late hazell, I don’t remember there being this much vitriol in 26 years of following this team. Not even …

When Danny hope needed Ricardo Allen to block a field goal to save Purdue from overtime against 2-10 middle Tennessee state before losing to 4-8 rice the next week, not close.

Here’s why it’s odd as well. Here are some winning percentages excluding our big winners and hazell (who belongs in a class with Harrell and Bobby Diaco).

Akers 28.4
Walters 33.3
Coletto 34.1
Burtnett 38.4

And that’s with way way way tougher scheduling than say Danny Hope had to deal with.

Maybe some of you older guys can weigh in here. I asked a couple of Purdue fans if there was this much anger in years 2 of Akers and Coletto and the answer I got was… no. By the end maybe, but not 16 games in.

When revenue sharing starts I think the Purdue job will be more attractive. If that hasn’t happened this offseason and Walters is already fired, I think people are going to be surprised by who is actually interested. I don’t think we get 1997 Joe tiller or 2017 Jeff brohm
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I do remember a lot of anger early on in the Hope days similar to what we have now. The reason being in both cases that we had a taste of success, and failed to build on it by hiring a competent head coach. Akers and Coletto were before my time too, but I think there was less anger in those days because we hadn't really had that taste of success that we had with Tiller and with Brohm.
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