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What are we asking of our neighbors who are also policemen or policewomen?

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Reading through some of the posts on here from those who are critical of our police, it would appear there are those who are expecting our police to be:
1. Olympic wrestlers who can handle themselves in hand to hand combat so as not to get killed
2. Nascar style drivers able to chase/drive fleeing suspects through streets full of pedestrians and vehicles
3. Psychologists who are able to determine what troubles those who are mentally deranged and able to say the right thing to calm down them and/or the situation
4. Harvard debaters able to get the upper hand with those "smart" guys in the streets.
5. Track stars able to chase down on foot those who flee
6. Expert marksmen able to hit their target with no collateral damage
7. Able to contain their emotions enough to not retaliate once they apprehend a suspect who just tried to attack them, shoot them, run them over with a car, or flee from them.
8. Able to make the correct judgment/decision in each and every situation where the suspect doesn't comply.

I could list several more. The point being - we're paying these men and women a very low salary to protect us and our property while at the same time asking them to be error free super humans.
 
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Maybe if there was competition for our protective services, wages would go up. Heck maybe there'd even be incentive to offer a good service.
 
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Reading through some of the posts on here from those who are critical of our police, it would appear there are those who are expecting our police to be:
1. Olympic wrestlers who can handle themselves in hand to hand combat so as not to get killed
2. Nascar style drivers able to chase/drive fleeing suspects through streets full of pedestrians and vehicles
3. Psychologists who are able to determine what troubles those who are mentally deranged and able to say the right thing to calm down them and/or the situation
4. Harvard debaters able to get the upper hand with those "smart" guys in the streets.
5. Track stars able to chase down on foot those who flee
6. Expert marksmen able to hit their target with no collateral damage
7. Able to contain their emotions enough to not retaliate once they apprehend a suspect who just tried to attack them, shoot them, run them over with a car, or flee from them.
8. Able to make the correct judgment/decision in each and every situation where the suspect doesn't comply.

I could list several more. The point being - we're paying these men and women a very low salary to protect us and our property while at the same time asking them to be error free super humans.
I agree with your stance but isn't there an off topic board for this stuff?
 
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Reading through some of the posts on here from those who are critical of our police, it would appear there are those who are expecting our police to be:
1. Olympic wrestlers who can handle themselves in hand to hand combat so as not to get killed
2. Nascar style drivers able to chase/drive fleeing suspects through streets full of pedestrians and vehicles
3. Psychologists who are able to determine what troubles those who are mentally deranged and able to say the right thing to calm down them and/or the situation
4. Harvard debaters able to get the upper hand with those "smart" guys in the streets.
5. Track stars able to chase down on foot those who flee
6. Expert marksmen able to hit their target with no collateral damage
7. Able to contain their emotions enough to not retaliate once they apprehend a suspect who just tried to attack them, shoot them, run them over with a car, or flee from them.
8. Able to make the correct judgment/decision in each and every situation where the suspect doesn't comply.

I could list several more. The point being - we're paying these men and women a very low salary to protect us and our property while at the same time asking them to be error free super humans.
 
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When you sign on as a police officer, there is no room for error when you have the ability to shoot someone and potentially end there lives. Something is wrong with police when they shoot 137 times into a vehicle with unarmed occupants killing them both like they did in Cleveland. Also in Cleveland, something is wrong when cops kill a 12 year old boy with playing with a pellet gun in the park in an open carry state. The police never tried to get the boy to drop the gun. They just drove up to the boy and opened fire, killing him. Or when a cop beats the hell out of a 60 year old unarmed woman on the highway. Or, when a female cop in LA kicks a female suspect repeatedly in the vagina area and head and later dies. Something is wrong. There is no way open season on cops. If it is they brought to themselves.
 
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Considering the number of people and the number of cops I think the percentages are actually pretty good. The are always going to be those with no respect for human life or anything else cop or citizen.
 
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When you sign on as a police officer, there is no room for error when you have the ability to shoot someone and potentially end there lives. Something is wrong with police when they shoot 137 times into a vehicle with unarmed occupants killing them both like they did in Cleveland. Also in Cleveland, something is wrong when cops kill a 12 year old boy with playing with a pellet gun in the park in an open carry state. The police never tried to get the boy to drop the gun. They just drove up to the boy and opened fire, killing him. Or when a cop beats the hell out of a 60 year old unarmed woman on the highway. Or, when a female cop in LA kicks a female suspect repeatedly in the vagina area and head and later dies. Something is wrong. There is no way open season on cops. If it is they brought to themselves.


congratulations SKF you are the prize winner. you are the idiotic moron who drove me away from this board. you are your ilk are too stupid for me to be associated with. last post ever. good luck with your liberal buddies. if you are ever in need of help when your buddies turn on you call a cop i'm sure one will be there to save your sorry butt
 
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I wouldn't wanna be the next guy with a Hillary 2016 bumper sticker that Officer Spradecki pulls over
 
Reading through some of the posts on here from those who are critical of our police, it would appear there are those who are expecting our police to be:
1. Olympic wrestlers who can handle themselves in hand to hand combat so as not to get killed
2. Nascar style drivers able to chase/drive fleeing suspects through streets full of pedestrians and vehicles
3. Psychologists who are able to determine what troubles those who are mentally deranged and able to say the right thing to calm down them and/or the situation
4. Harvard debaters able to get the upper hand with those "smart" guys in the streets.
5. Track stars able to chase down on foot those who flee
6. Expert marksmen able to hit their target with no collateral damage
7. Able to contain their emotions enough to not retaliate once they apprehend a suspect who just tried to attack them, shoot them, run them over with a car, or flee from them.
8. Able to make the correct judgment/decision in each and every situation where the suspect doesn't comply.

I could list several more. The point being - we're paying these men and women a very low salary to protect us and our property while at the same time asking them to be error free super humans.



"Police Lives Matter!!!"


Want to be a policeman? Better be a good father/mediator/manager/politician/supervisor/doctor/nurse/paramedic/diplomat/educator/friend/animal lover/good will ambassador & neighbor first. A policeman wears many, many hats, & they have to know at a moments notice, how to deal with the most delicate situations one can possibly imagine. You aren't a cop for 8, 10 or 12 hours at a time, you're always a cop, off duty or not. Usually, there's plenty of mandatory over time, weather you like/want it or not. That's part of the job. For the training, prepairedness, hours, legal issues & stress of the job, none of them are ever "over paid". Yes, there are good benifits to being a cop, there are also plenty of bad benifits as well. It's a jungle out there, but someone has to police it. The most under appreciated people on earth, are those in the military, & those who "protect & serve"/police.
 
When you sign on as a police officer, there is no room for error when you have the ability to shoot someone and potentially end there lives. Something is wrong with police when they shoot 137 times into a vehicle with unarmed occupants killing them both like they did in Cleveland. Also in Cleveland, something is wrong when cops kill a 12 year old boy with playing with a pellet gun in the park in an open carry state. The police never tried to get the boy to drop the gun. They just drove up to the boy and opened fire, killing him. Or when a cop beats the hell out of a 60 year old unarmed woman on the highway. Or, when a female cop in LA kicks a female suspect repeatedly in the vagina area and head and later dies. Something is wrong. There is no way open season on cops. If it is they brought to themselves.


You only tell part of the/your story, you fail to mention the part which you dislike, but is true & opposite your point of view. You mention not the Fergusons of the world, the cops who are wrongly/falsely accused & wrongly charged with crimes they didn't committ. You fail to mention the NY. City cops who are in their patrol car, minding their own business, harming no one, and bang, bang, get assasinated in their own car, just because they were cops.

I can hardly wait for the 4th of July, when those who hate cops, America & our military take their shots once again at those who are trying to protect & serve them, their friends & family, and for what? So peope who hate the authorities can take aim, fire away, & give one more innocent 4 yr. old a reason to look for a new father.

One more thing, try it before you condem it. It isn't as easy, rewarding or profitable as you think. Next time you're in Ferguson, we'll make you the cop, & see how long you make it/live.



"Police Lives Matter"
 
There is no defense for a felon like Tully. Maybe you can defend him? By all means, give it your best shot. By the way, there's nothing "logical" about Tully. Read his garbage, you'll see for yourself. If Tully were in charge, we'd all be hunting, gathering, throwing rocks & pointy sticks at our dinner. There would be no military, police or conservatives allowed on earth. Rules & laws would be only for those who oppose Tully & his kind, or ask tough questions. You'd be lucky to have socialism in a few years, let alone capitalism, democracy or feedom of choice/free trade.

Maybe you'd like living in the Stone Age? I prefer electricity, running water, & jobs for those who want them. You do realize Hitler was a socialist, as well, his Nazi Party being the first major world power to offer & deliver nationalized health care/Obamacare/Nationalist Socialist Healthcare. The Nazi Party was the German National Socialist Workers Party. Sound familiar? It should.
 
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There is no defense for a felon like Tully. Maybe you can defend him? By all means, give it your best shot. By the way, there's nothing "logical" about Tully. Read his garbage, you'll see for yourself. If Tully were in charge, we'd all be hunting, gathering, throwing rocks & pointy sticks at our dinner. There would be no military, police or conservatives allowed on earth. Rules & laws would be only for those who oppose Tully & his kind, or ask tough questions. You'd be lucky to have socialism in a few years, let alone capitalism, democracy or feedom of choice/free trade.

Maybe you'd like living in the Stone Age? I prefer electricity, running water, & jobs for those who want them. You do realize Hitler was a socialist, as well, his Nazi Party being the first major world power to offer & deliver nationalized health care/Obamacare/Nationalist Socialist Healthcare. The Nazi Party was the German National Socialist Workers Party. Sound familiar? It should.
It has been scientifically proven that if an internet argument goes on to infinity, one party will accuse the other of being a Nazi. You may think that sounds stupid and there is no way to prove such a rediculous claim. I sure did at first. But if you watch, some idiot always goes for the "Nazi" insult every time. This guy did it in impressive fashion with a tirade about an obscure reporter that has nothing to do with this off topic flame thread OR Purdue basketball.

When did we pick up all these random trolls from other schools? First the Uk guy now this putz from Illinois.
 
Why does a person have to be killed by banned choke hold by a police officer for selling loose cigarettes? Meanwhile other officers standing around with heads up their so and so offering no medical assistance.

Why does a person have to be killed, neck broken while in police custody in the back of a police transport vehicle?

Why does a person have to be shot after the cop tells him to get his ID? The guys goes into the car, retrieved his ID and gets shot.

Why does a young lady gets killed by a cop indisciminantly shooting into a crowd of people?
 
It has been scientifically proven that if an internet argument goes on to infinity, one party will accuse the other of being a Nazi. You may think that sounds stupid and there is no way to prove such a rediculous claim. I sure did at first. But if you watch, some idiot always goes for the "Nazi" insult every time. This guy did it in impressive fashion with a tirade about an obscure reporter that has nothing to do with this off topic flame thread OR Purdue basketball.

When did we pick up all these random trolls from other schools? First the Uk guy now this putz from Illinois.


That's what I love about the far left, radicals, thay can dish it out, but not take it. When Bush 43 was president, the world saw demonstrations all over the world, including in America, with Bush posters & drawings portraying him as a Nazi, uniform & all. "Freedon of speech" & first ammendment rights they screamed, yelled, & shouted. When others from various polical persuasions opposed their rhetoric, the others were shouted down, called racists, war mongers, baby killers and murderers.

Apparently with some on the radical, far left, like yourself, what's good for the goose, isn't good for the gander/opposition, less that gander be a leftist in need of support. One more time, what does Bussard have to do with this thread, what you're speaking of, or anything pertinent to what's being discussed?
 
Why does a person have to be killed by banned choke hold by a police officer for selling loose cigarettes? Meanwhile other officers standing around with heads up their so and so offering no medical assistance.

Why does a person have to be killed, neck broken while in police custody in the back of a police transport vehicle?

Why does a person have to be shot after the cop tells him to get his ID? The guys goes into the car, retrieved his ID and gets shot.

Why does a young lady gets killed by a cop indisciminantly shooting into a crowd of people?



Hmmm, now tell us the above isn't totally political, bias & anti-police? The original poster started out honorable, then others hijacked the thread to vent their anti-police sentiments.

I can hardly wait for July 4th, Christmas & the New Year. I could have read the Red Star & got as much.
 
That's what I love about the far left, radicals, thay can dish it out, but not take it. When Bush 43 was president, the world saw demonstrations all over the world, including in America, with Bush posters & drawings portraying him as a Nazi, uniform & all. "Freedon of speech" & first ammendment rights they screamed, yelled, & shouted. When others from various polical persuasions opposed their rhetoric, the others were shouted down, called racists, war mongers, baby killers and murderers.

Apparently with some on the radical, far left, like yourself, what's good for the goose, isn't good for the gander/opposition, less that gander be a leftist in need of support. One more time, what does Bussard have to do with this thread, what you're speaking of, or anything pertinent to what's being discussed?

He is a perfect example of the cops we should lock up. The others yes they deserve medals and kudos.
 
Reading through some of the posts on here from those who are critical of our police, it would appear there are those who are expecting our police to be:
1. Olympic wrestlers who can handle themselves in hand to hand combat so as not to get killed
2. Nascar style drivers able to chase/drive fleeing suspects through streets full of pedestrians and vehicles
3. Psychologists who are able to determine what troubles those who are mentally deranged and able to say the right thing to calm down them and/or the situation
4. Harvard debaters able to get the upper hand with those "smart" guys in the streets.
5. Track stars able to chase down on foot those who flee
6. Expert marksmen able to hit their target with no collateral damage
7. Able to contain their emotions enough to not retaliate once they apprehend a suspect who just tried to attack them, shoot them, run them over with a car, or flee from them.
8. Able to make the correct judgment/decision in each and every situation where the suspect doesn't comply.

I could list several more. The point being - we're paying these men and women a very low salary to protect us and our property while at the same time asking them to be error free super humans.

SMH.

1. I don't expect a cop to one on one be able to outfight a perp. I do expect when there is a 4 or 5 to 1 advantage that the cops should be able to find a way to subdue an unarmed suspect without killing him.
2. I expect cops to realize that they don't have to do high speed crazy chases in most situations. That they can track down the license plate, and catch the guy at home, eating dinner, later.
3. I expect cops to not antagonize a loaded situation further. That's for their safety as well as the accused and the people around them.
4. I have no idea what this is about.
5. I expect that the answer to "I can't catch him" is not "but these bullets might be able to" unless the person they are chasing is a direct threat to the lives of the public, and most of the time, that ain't true.
6. I expect cops to only fire when they have a clear target, and when it is both absolutely necessary and safe. Just like Soldiers do. In fact, if cops were simply as disciplined as Soldiers are, we'd have a lot fewer problems.
7. Yes, I expect the folks who are given power over life and death to exercise restraint when provoked. Of course, no one has said that if an accused shoots at you, or uses a deadly weapon against you that the cop cannot fire their weapon, so again, I have no idea what this is about.
8. I expect that the answer to "he's not complying" or "he's not complying quickly enough" isn't "I bet he complies with these bullets in him."

It always surprises me to see folks who purport to be conservatives who hate the government and value individual rights lose all of those inclinations when it comes to the police.
 
Here is why I no longer trust the police.

It was a normal Wednesday night (other than the fact that I was recovering from hernia surgery) in Central, South Carolina. I was playing video games in my efficiency apartment with a pack of frozen peas on my groin, and maybe had some loratab on board. Around 10 there was a loud knock on the door. I wasn't expecting anyone, and it took me a few seconds to stand up (still had stitches) and walk to the door. Before I made it to the door there was another knock, followed by "POLICE! OPEN THE DOOR!". I hurried to the door assuming the apartment was on fire, or some other emergency was going down. I opened the door and was met with a flashlight in my face and gun pointed at my chest. The cop with the flashlight grabbed my by the wrist spun me around, handcuffed me (while screaming "THIS IS FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY!"), the pushed me up against the second floor railing, splitting all of my stitches. The cop with the gun drawn, and another cop who I didn't see at first stormed into my apartment, while the cop who had my cuffed continued to push me over the rail screaming "WHERE'S THE GUN! TELL ME WHERE YOU HID THE GUN!"

What had I done to deserve this treatment? Nothing, I didn't own a gun, and I hadn't left my apartment in two days because of the surgery. I tried to explain this, but they just kept screaming at me about a gun. Then it happened, a guy who I vaguely recognized ran up the stairs. The cop spun me around and asked him "Is this him, is this the guy?" The dude, with crazy looking eyes, took a look a me and said, "no, no, that's not him, he must have ran into another apartment". At this point, the cop who had me cuffed spun me around, patted me down, and then took the cuffs off. He yelled for the cops in my apartment, who were busy throwing stuff out of my closet, and they rushed out, saying they "couldn't find the gun". The handcuff cop said they had the wrong apartment, let me go, with nothing, not an explanation, not an apology, nothing. I went back inside my apartment and locked the door and listened. The crazy guy was talking 1,000 miles an hour and what he was saying made no sense. He was screaming that someone was chasing him, had shocked him, and was shooting at him. It was obvious to me that the dude was bent. I thought meth, but it turned out to be a crack binge. It was obvious to me, but the cops just kept going, they emptied out 3 more apartments, before the crazy guy took off down the stairs (I was peaking out the window at this point) screaming that someone was shooting at him. He then dove under a van in the parking lot. At this point, it must have occurred to one of the cops that the dude was out of his mind, and they left. Again, no follow up to check on me, no apology, nothing, they just left. In the meantime I realized that blood was running down my leg and dripping on the floor.

So what was the real story (I found all of this out later from a trusted source)? This guy, basically known as the screw up from a well known local family (his two brothers were famous athletes) had been on a 3 day crack binge and had snapped. His friends had him locked in a closet in an apartment in a neighboring complex, but he kicked the door down and escaped. He proceeded to run into downtown and smash the front window of the firehouse in attempt to get help because he thought someone was trying to kill him (in his mind). Instead of locking him up, the cops actually listened to his story, and took action. He lead the cops into the parking lot of my apartment complex and I was unlucky enough to be the fist apartment at the top of the stairs.

After he had 4 apartments emptied at gunpoint and sought shelter under a van, what happened to him? Nothing, the cops called his parents (he was in his mid 20's at the time) and they took him home. They paid for the window of the fire station, and probably increased their donation to the police department, and that was the extent of his punishment.

After the excitement, it struck me. One false move on my part and I would have ended up with a hole in my chest, and all over the word of a drug fiend. I went down the next day to talk to the police, but instead of talking to anyone in the department, I was met by a guy who I assume was a lawyer. He told me that what happened was standard police protocol, that I had agreed to the search by opening my door, and that I had no reason to file a complaint. His tone seemed to indicate that I was being a drama queen. I told him to F-off and left, intent on suing. I talked to two local lawyers I trusted, and they both told me the same thing. I could sue, I would win a few thousand dollars, it would take several years to get paid, and I would probably end up spending more money in traffic tickets and I would be harassed by the police at ever turn. Three days later the chief of police finally showed up at my apartment and apologized, and tried to explain that his cops were "scared" and that they "didn't deal with these things very often", which didn't make me feel any better. I basically had my life in the hands of a scared, under-trained officer. I accepted his apology and kept my mouth shut, because I didn't want to have to deal with the police (I did get the chiefs business card, with his personal number on the back, which I assumed was a local get out of jail free card).

If this can happen to me. A clean cut college kid. I have no doubt that far worse has happened to other people. This is why I no longer give police the benefit of the doubt.
 
DTAlum,

The part of your story that I have the most problem with is the complete lack of an apology. You know, mistakes happen, i get it. Heck, even shooting mistakes happen, or the choking incident with Garner, let's assume that was an accident and totally unintentionally. Hell, let's even excuse the shooting of a 12-year-old boy in Cleveland.

What is much, much harder to excuse is the complete lack of an apology, or rendering medical aid to Garner, or the child killed in Cleveland, or the guy most recently shot in the back. Cops, standing over someone as they lay dying...making no effort to aid, assist, or even comfort. All of these actions show people who view those they serve not as people, or citizens, but as the enemy, and as something less than human...not worthy of anything other than being rendered not a threat.
 
SMH.

1. I don't expect a cop to one on one be able to outfight a perp. I do expect when there is a 4 or 5 to 1 advantage that the cops should be able to find a way to subdue an unarmed suspect without killing him.
2. I expect cops to realize that they don't have to do high speed crazy chases in most situations. That they can track down the license plate, and catch the guy at home, eating dinner, later.
3. I expect cops to not antagonize a loaded situation further. That's for their safety as well as the accused and the people around them.
4. I have no idea what this is about.
5. I expect that the answer to "I can't catch him" is not "but these bullets might be able to" unless the person they are chasing is a direct threat to the lives of the public, and most of the time, that ain't true.
6. I expect cops to only fire when they have a clear target, and when it is both absolutely necessary and safe. Just like Soldiers do. In fact, if cops were simply as disciplined as Soldiers are, we'd have a lot fewer problems.
7. Yes, I expect the folks who are given power over life and death to exercise restraint when provoked. Of course, no one has said that if an accused shoots at you, or uses a deadly weapon against you that the cop cannot fire their weapon, so again, I have no idea what this is about.
8. I expect that the answer to "he's not complying" or "he's not complying quickly enough" isn't "I bet he complies with these bullets in him."

It always surprises me to see folks who purport to be conservatives who hate the government and value individual rights lose all of those inclinations when it comes to the police.
1. They must be able to handle themselves one on one whether you expect them to or not. Police routinely are confronted by people with no other police around to assist.
2. I'm sure the folks who steal cars will be glad to hear your plan for calling off the chase and paying a visit to their house via the license plate - oh wait, the license plate isn't registered to them. Any other brilliant suggestions?
3. You are an expert on not antagonizing so you should speak more to this. LOL!
4. Not surprised.
5. You expect the police to not use their weapon when running after a suspect so the only other options are A) run faster, or B) give up and let suspect go. Again, the expectation is for our police to catch the suspects - hence the track star comment.
6. A lot of cops are former military. And not all soldiers are disciplined with their firearms. The term friendly fire exists for a reason. Your comments are proof the expectations you hold mirror those in outlined in my original message. Reading them has you realizing just how unrealistic they are - which is why you felt the need to reply and explain your position.
7. I didn't mention anything about a cop firing their weapon - just that folks like you expect them to be super human with the ability to calm themselves down after a high speed chase; a fight with a suspect; breaking up a volatile drug deal or family disturbance. Given the way you act on here - I think it's safe to say that you're asking of the police something you are clearly not capable yourself.
8. Again - you clearly have all of the expectations I laid out. You know how they sound having read them so you jump straight to bullets.

I would suggest you do a ride along one day. It might just change the expectations you have of the people who protect you and your property.
 
1. They must be able to handle themselves one on one whether you expect them to or not. Police routinely are confronted by people with no other police around to assist.
2. I'm sure the folks who steal cars will be glad to hear your plan for calling off the chase and paying a visit to their house via the license plate - oh wait, the license plate isn't registered to them. Any other brilliant suggestions?
3. You are an expert on not antagonizing so you should speak more to this. LOL!
4. Not surprised.
5. You expect the police to not use their weapon when running after a suspect so the only other options are A) run faster, or B) give up and let suspect go. Again, the expectation is for our police to catch the suspects - hence the track star comment.
6. A lot of cops are former military. And not all soldiers are disciplined with their firearms. The term friendly fire exists for a reason. Your comments are proof the expectations you hold mirror those in outlined in my original message. Reading them has you realizing just how unrealistic they are - which is why you felt the need to reply and explain your position.
7. I didn't mention anything about a cop firing their weapon - just that folks like you expect them to be super human with the ability to calm themselves down after a high speed chase; a fight with a suspect; breaking up a volatile drug deal or family disturbance. Given the way you act on here - I think it's safe to say that you're asking of the police something you are clearly not capable yourself.
8. Again - you clearly have all of the expectations I laid out. You know how they sound having read them so you jump straight to bullets.

I would suggest you do a ride along one day. It might just change the expectations you have of the people who protect you and your property.

1. Garner wasn't one on one. The kid in Cleveland wasn't one on one. And many of those one on ones don't end up with fisticuffs. So as with many of the bullet points, you list either strawmen or hyperbole.
2. The folks who steal cars? So we should have dangerous high speed chases that could kill or injure innocent people, because someone stole a car? Yeah, no. Of course, police actually have protocols for such a thing, and it usually ain't to chase after someone who stole a car. http://www.ktiv.com/story/24923726/...in-high-speed-pursuit-of-south-dakota-suspect ""Obviously, it's got to be a very serious crime. In this case, it was a murder suspect. I don't now much more serious you can get than that. It depends on weather conditions. It depends on the neighborhood that you're going through, road conditions. The officer has to take in a lot of factors here," said Young."
3. Nonresponsive ad hominem. So I'll assume you got nothing here.
4. You are not surprised I have nothing for an idiotic non-sequitur about Harvard debating? Neither am I.
5. Yes, I expect that the cops do not shoot at a suspect who is fleeing them UNLESS they are a clear and present danger to cause death or grievous bodily injury to someone else. You know who else expects that? The Supreme Court. Tennessee v. Garner. A case so famous that I know it from memory because anyone who goes to law school learns about that case. So yes, most of the time, shooting is not a legal option.
6. Friendly fire is not the same thing as cops killing unarmed suspects. And Soldiers do FAR better at avoiding these kind of incidents AND when they happen, they don't hide behind being a Soldier, they are investigated and if something was done wrong they are held accountable at a far greater rate than police.
7. If you can't handle difficult situations without losing your calm, then you probably shouldn't be a police officer. Seems like a self-evident statement, but apparently, you think it's too much to ask. The rest is another boring ad hominem.
8. OK, instead of bullets let's go with choke-holds, or tazers, or anything else that comes from someone wearing a badge being pissed off that someone didn't comply quickly enough for them.

The expectations I laid out don't depend on a "ride along." I've deployed, I'm pretty sure I can figure out that being a police officer can be both dangerous and difficult. But just like the Soldiers I deployed with, I can also figure out that danger and difficulty doesn't remove responsibility and duty. Seems like you can't figure that out very well.
 
I would encourage everyone to listen to the recent 2-part episode of This American Life entitled "Cops See it Differently." It's available for free on iTunes and other podcast stores (and online from PBS). Really, really good stuff.
 
DTAlum,

The part of your story that I have the most problem with is the complete lack of an apology. You know, mistakes happen, i get it. Heck, even shooting mistakes happen, or the choking incident with Garner, let's assume that was an accident and totally unintentionally. Hell, let's even excuse the shooting of a 12-year-old boy in Cleveland.

What is much, much harder to excuse is the complete lack of an apology, or rendering medical aid to Garner, or the child killed in Cleveland, or the guy most recently shot in the back. Cops, standing over someone as they lay dying...making no effort to aid, assist, or even comfort. All of these actions show people who view those they serve not as people, or citizens, but as the enemy, and as something less than human...not worthy of anything other than being rendered not a threat.

Yes, the guy I talked to the next day at the police station (who was obviously covering the cops ass) acted like it was no big deal and I was being dramatic. I asked him if he would have an issue if one of his children was pulled out of their apartment at gun point. He told me he didn't have kids and smiled at me. I had to take a deep breath to avoid punching him in his smug face.
 
Why does a person have to be killed by banned choke hold by a police officer for selling loose cigarettes? Meanwhile other officers standing around with heads up their so and so offering no medical assistance.

Why does a person have to be killed, neck broken while in police custody in the back of a police transport vehicle?

Why does a person have to be shot after the cop tells him to get his ID? The guys goes into the car, retrieved his ID and gets shot.

Why does a young lady gets killed by a cop indisciminantly shooting into a crowd of people?

Why do innocent people get killed because someone of their race or religion harmed someone else? It's because there are people like you who say they brought it on themselves.
 
Reading through some of the posts on here from those who are critical of our police, it would appear there are those who are expecting our police to be:
1. Olympic wrestlers who can handle themselves in hand to hand combat so as not to get killed
2. Nascar style drivers able to chase/drive fleeing suspects through streets full of pedestrians and vehicles
3. Psychologists who are able to determine what troubles those who are mentally deranged and able to say the right thing to calm down them and/or the situation
4. Harvard debaters able to get the upper hand with those "smart" guys in the streets.
5. Track stars able to chase down on foot those who flee
6. Expert marksmen able to hit their target with no collateral damage
7. Able to contain their emotions enough to not retaliate once they apprehend a suspect who just tried to attack them, shoot them, run them over with a car, or flee from them.
8. Able to make the correct judgment/decision in each and every situation where the suspect doesn't comply.

I could list several more. The point being - we're paying these men and women a very low salary to protect us and our property while at the same time asking them to be error free super humans.

This is not a black and white issue like many are making it out to be.

Mocking people who are upset about people dying in police custody is NO better or productive than the people who take the incidents and decide to become violent themselves or loot businesses. You in turn are inciting a more tense situation, which sometimes seems to be the goal of some.

There's a lot that goes into this issue. The situation in Baltimore wasn't a black vs. white issue - some of the officers charged were African-American.

And it's an issue that's probably been around for quite some time. But the fact of the matter is that we live in a time of cell phone cameras, cell phone videos, much more video surveillance, social media, etc. - not to mention more frequent use of police officer cameras, etc.

And while there's been a lot of attention on police officers, living in today's reality changed situations for all sorts of professions.

But this notion that 100% of police officers are doing their jobs diligently, as best they can, etc. is also absurd. It's no different than the military where there are servicemen and women who are not representing the military with the standards it has.

Does it mean that police officers deserve to be walked up to and shot? Absolutely not. But that's not the one alternative and that doesn't mean that's what the "other side" believes.

There are things police units need to do differently to adapt to 2015. Showing up to a peaceful protest in full riot gear with 24 hour news, social media, etc. - doesn't come across well. Going back St. Louis - I don't know anyone who said the response by police to the events in Ferguson was well done, and most called it a disaster.

It's a complex issue and this with us or against us mentality is only going to make things worse. If you truly cared about police officers so much, you wouldn't be taking this approach.
 
This is not a black and white issue like many are making it out to be.

Mocking people who are upset about people dying in police custody is NO better or productive than the people who take the incidents and decide to become violent themselves or loot businesses. You in turn are inciting a more tense situation, which sometimes seems to be the goal of some.

There's a lot that goes into this issue. The situation in Baltimore wasn't a black vs. white issue - some of the officers charged were African-American.

And it's an issue that's probably been around for quite some time. But the fact of the matter is that we live in a time of cell phone cameras, cell phone videos, much more video surveillance, social media, etc. - not to mention more frequent use of police officer cameras, etc.

And while there's been a lot of attention on police officers, living in today's reality changed situations for all sorts of professions.

But this notion that 100% of police officers are doing their jobs diligently, as best they can, etc. is also absurd. It's no different than the military where there are servicemen and women who are not representing the military with the standards it has.

Does it mean that police officers deserve to be walked up to and shot? Absolutely not. But that's not the one alternative and that doesn't mean that's what the "other side" believes.

There are things police units need to do differently to adapt to 2015. Showing up to a peaceful protest in full riot gear with 24 hour news, social media, etc. - doesn't come across well. Going back St. Louis - I don't know anyone who said the response by police to the events in Ferguson was well done, and most called it a disaster.

It's a complex issue and this with us or against us mentality is only going to make things worse. If you truly cared about police officers so much, you wouldn't be taking this approach.

Yep. Can't see how anyone can disagree with any of that...but they will.
 
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