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Vince Edwards looks a little more athletic...

I know that this was one of his focuses going into the offseason. Should help him transition to the 3 easier.
 
Vince is the guy I want to see run the point early in the season. It's just a feeling, but man we would have a very solid starting five with possible mismatches across the board.
 
Very impressive.

Also, Vince is listed as 6'7, Biggie as 6'8, but there looks to be more than just an inch separating the two
 
Very impressive.

Also, Vince is listed as 6'7, Biggie as 6'8, but there looks to be more than just an inch separating the two


I see this as well. Maybe Swanigan has grown an inch. He is still 17, I believe. Either way, this is encouraging to see. I think Vince can do it all if he sets his mind to it.
 
PU roster has Caleb at 6'9"..............he was a tad under 6'8" without shoes earlier this year

I thought Vince was self proclaimed 6'8"? Who knows, but that coast to coast dunk was exciting
 
You see sophomores with more confidence in themselves after they get that first season under their belts. I figure Vince will do this more this year with his seasoning. He just glows with game sense for one so young. The dunk was sweet. Impressive.
 
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I don't think it was just chance that Vince had the ball in his hands at the end of the Cincy game to try and win it.

Painter knows what he's got.
 
He dribbled the length of the floor pretty quickly for not even appearing to go into a full sprint. He just did it smoothly.
 
Nearly everyone looks really tired in these clips. Were these taken at the end of a marathon scrimmage or something?
 
One "BIG" thing I got out of those clips was actually seeing Swanigan in the Black and Gold. It's finally real.

And the Haas report that he has slimmed down some looks true to life here. As Tom Hanks said in A League of Their Own , "We're gonna win!!"
 
And the Haas report that he has slimmed down some looks true to life here. As Tom Hanks said in A League of Their Own , "We're gonna win!!"

The other thing I like that I didn't mention earlier is that it is really good to see Taylor out there moving well. Big men with feet issues concern me, so that is a very positive early sign.
 
What makes VE unique on this Purdue roster is that he is the only proven 3 level scorer on the team.

When comparing stats on hoop-math.com http://www.hoop-math.com/Purdue2015.php, the number that jumped out to me was that VE hit 50% of his two point jumpers, defined as 2 point shots not at the rim. Meanwhile, nobody else of the team with a significant number of attempts came close to VE's percentage and the team average on these shots was in the low thirties.

Looking at the numbers, Edwards is arguably the most complete 3 level scorer that Purdue has had since E'Twaun. When combined with his passing ability, that makes him a crucial asset for the Purdue offense. If he is improving his athleticism, that's even better.
 
Nearly everyone looks really tired in these clips. Were these taken at the end of a marathon scrimmage or something?

Yeah, I am glad to hear that this was just a pickup game where no defense was being played, because I was hoping it wasn't an indicator of how our bigs are going to run the floor in real games. Caleb especially, but Haas too, were the last ones down the court in one of the videos, but just slower in the other. It was a little hard to tell if Vince was that athletic, or if it was just no one was playing any defense on him...
 
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Yes, it is only a pick-up game and I don't think defense was an emphasis. While I really enjoy watching VE play ball, we shouldn't read too much into this clip.

CoBo

Agreed . The coast to coast was cool and all, but like you said defense was not really being played. I am just more impressed by the apparent increased speed and explosiveness. If he has drastically improved this, that will be there no matter what the competition.
 
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Agreed . The coast to coast was cool and all, but like you said defense was not really being played. I am just more impressed by the apparent increased speed and explosiveness. If he has drastically improved this, that will be there no matter what the competition.


For me, it was the fact that he had his mind made up to go the length of the floor before he even got the rebound. Absolutely no hesitation, and in comfortable style.
 
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Raphael Davis is the other player who has the tools to be a competent 3 level scorer

What makes VE unique on this Purdue roster is that he is the only proven 3 level scorer on the team.

When comparing stats on hoop-math.com http://www.hoop-math.com/Purdue2015.php, the number that jumped out to me was that VE hit 50% of his two point jumpers, defined as 2 point shots not at the rim. Meanwhile, nobody else of the team with a significant number of attempts came close to VE's percentage and the team average on these shots was in the low thirties.

Looking at the numbers, Edwards is arguably the most complete 3 level scorer that Purdue has had since E'Twaun. When combined with his passing ability, that makes him a crucial asset for the Purdue offense. If he is improving his athleticism, that's even better.
 
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Raphael Davis is the other player who has the tools to be a competent 3 level scorer

agreed

If Davis can parlay his efforts this offseason into having a consistent mid-range and perimeter jumper, I could see him playing the 2 next season in a lineup where Edwards is at the 3, Swanigan is at the 4, and Hammons/Haas are at the 5.
 
The more I watch VE play and grow, the more it really is evident his "star rating" was way off.

I haven't been this stoked for the basketball season to start for a very long time. I've always been pretty excited, but there is just something more to it that suggests the next couple years could be pretty special at Purdue.
 
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Raphael Davis is the other player who has the tools to be a competent 3 level scorer
Davis has certainly shown signs of that ability, but what's hard to explain is that Davis only shot 24.1% on 2 point jumpers last season, while his strength was getting to the rim.

Davis shot much better from mid-range early in his career, which makes me wonder if the difference was switching from the 4 to the 3 position. In that case, Edwards may have a harder time scoring from mid-range as a 3 as well. However, this is where I think that VE's length and craftiness may really help him against smaller defenders. It will be interesting to watch.
 
Davis has certainly shown signs of that ability, but what's hard to explain is that Davis only shot 24.1% on 2 point jumpers last season, while his strength was getting to the rim.

Davis shot much better from mid-range early in his career, which makes me wonder if the difference was switching from the 4 to the 3 position. In that case, Edwards may have a harder time scoring from mid-range as a 3 as well. However, this is where I think that VE's length and craftiness may really help him against smaller defenders. It will be interesting to watch.
I have a slightly different take on this. First, you might be over-thinking the 3 vs 4 position thing. With Painter's motion offense, those position declanations don't mean much. I think (1) Edwards' shot selection is better, and (2) he is taller and can shoot over people. IMHO, that explains much of the difference.

Regarding the shot selection, I don't think I have ever seen Edwards force a shot. On the other hand, Davis frequently is the last option as the shot closk runs out, and he is forced to throw up a difficult shot. I can't fault Davis for those shots, but it does tend to lower his average.

:cool:
 
I have a slightly different take on this. First, you might be over-thinking the 3 vs 4 position thing. With Painter's motion offense, those position declanations don't mean much. I think (1) Edwards' shot selection is better, and (2) he is taller and can shoot over people. IMHO, that explains much of the difference.

Regarding the shot selection, I don't think I have ever seen Edwards force a shot. On the other hand, Davis frequently is the last option as the shot closk runs out, and he is forced to throw up a difficult shot. I can't fault Davis for those shots, but it does tend to lower his average.

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I agree with most of what you are saying. Put another way, increased usage is most likely the most significant contributing factor to Davis's decline (over the past 3 seasons) in efficiency when taking mid-range shots.

I would agree that we can't assume that Edwards will see a similar drop as he spends more time matched up against threes, particularly since Biggie will be drawing so much attention. (I also anticipate that having a healthy Mathias and Stephens will help.)
 
The more I watch VE play and grow, the more it really is evident his "star rating" was way off.

I haven't been this stoked for the basketball season to start for a very long time. I've always been pretty excited, but there is just something more to it that suggests the next couple years could be pretty special at Purdue.
Hell ya, the summers are so SLOW. Gonna be a fun one and I will get to some gyms on the east coast this year.
 
VE = Best frosh year since E. Moore?
My stats show that Edwards had the 7th best freshman year since 1992. Arbitrary year, but it's when I began tracking stats.

ROBINSON, G. 71.0
CARDINAL, B. 63.4
HUMMEL, R. 61.0
MOORE, E. 52.3
JOHNSON, R. 48.1
HAMMONS, A. 47.6
EDWARDS, V. 46.9
 
OK. Thanx for the clarification. Surprising to me that Vince is below RJ in your scheme. Probably just the bad taste that RJ left and I really like Vince. Not a man crush, but as a BB player.
 
Its hilarious how posters feel the need to declare their sexuality. We get it, its assumed and the default position, so you don't even have to qualify yourself. When you say you like player XX, you do not imply any homoerotic feelings.

I mean, I like Jessica Alba but only as a woman. She can't make a layup to save her life

OK. Thanx for the clarification. Surprising to me that Vince is below RJ in your scheme. Probably just the bad taste that RJ left and I really like Vince. Not a man crush, but as a BB player.
 
Its hilarious how posters feel the need to declare their sexuality. We get it, its assumed and the default position, so you don't even have to qualify yourself. When you say you like player XX, you do not imply any homoerotic feelings.

I mean, I like Jessica Alba but only as a woman. She can't make a layup to save her life


She can score on me anytime she wants.
 
Its hilarious how posters feel the need to declare their sexuality. We get it, its assumed and the default position, so you don't even have to qualify yourself. When you say you like player XX, you do not imply any homoerotic feelings.

I mean, I like Jessica Alba but only as a woman. She can't make a layup to save her life

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Its hilarious how posters feel the need to declare their sexuality. We get it, its assumed and the default position, so you don't even have to qualify yourself. When you say you like player XX, you do not imply any homoerotic feelings.

I mean, I like Jessica Alba but only as a woman. She can't make a layup to save her life

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OK. Thanx for the clarification. Surprising to me that Vince is below RJ in your scheme. Probably just the bad taste that RJ left and I really like Vince. Not a man crush, but as a BB player.
The formula, which njm posted not long ago, rewards statsheet stuffers and gives a high weighting to assists. RJ was a talented, staff stuffer with high assist totals, but unfortunately he had his own agenda and, from what I can tell, was hard to coach.
 
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