Rank the PGs - Eldridge, Grant, LJ, Octeus, RJ

[SnowLeopard]

Rank them by their careers, and where would you project PJ?

My take

1. Carson Cunningham - good floor general, reliable shot

2a. Keaton Grant - better player than the stats showed, deferred to Baby Boilers despite being an upperclassman
2b. Lewis Jackson - tough and durable

4. Jon Octeus - parlayed one solid season into an NBA shot

5. Alan Eldridge - great defensive stopper and steady as they come

6. RJ

I think if PJ and/or Hill give us at least as much as Eldridge, then this team will cross from 'good' to 'great'

 

[BoilerFan#35]

1. LewJack
2. Cunningham
3. Octeus
4. Grant
5. Eldridge
6. RJ
No matter what PJ is better than RJ if he stays around. If he develops into a valuable bench player on a FF team I think he could get above of Grant.

 

[gelesen]

Porter Roberts and Brandon McKnight weren't bad.

 

[nat100]

1. LewJack
2. Cunningham
3. Octeus
4. Grant
5. Eldridge
6. RJ
No matter what PJ is better than RJ if he stays around. If he develops into a valuable bench player on a FF team I think he could get above of Grant.

You are selling grant far too short.

 

[GemstateBoiler]

I loved watching Cunningham but he could be wild to say the least sometimes. Grant had a swagger to him that I always liked. I would move Grant up to 2, personally.

 

[purdue4sure]

Porter Roberts and Brandon McKnight weren't bad.

And Kenny Lowe was one of the best in the past 30 years. Tony Jones was very, very good. Ricky Hall may have been the most underrated PG at Purdue. And no one should forget Everette Stephens. If PJ can be compared with any them at all, Purdue will be very good.

 

[njm8845]

Below is the my efficiency numbers for everyone who's been primarily a ballhandler since 1992.


PLAYER FR SO JR SR CAREER
KRAMER, C. 37.5 47.1 44.3 45.1 174.0
JACKSON, L. 38.4 14.9 51.2 62.3 166.8
ROBERTS, P. 12.0 48.2 41.9 51.2 153.3
DEANE, W. X 34.9 51.2 54.0 140.1
CUNNINGHAM, C. X 15.3 51.9 49.0 116.2
ELDRIDGE, A. 6.2 30.8 47.2 31.4 115.6
PARKINSON, A. 21.2 40.1 14.6 36.8 112.7
MCKNIGHT, B. 4.2 26.7 36.5 43.1 110.5
JOHNSON, R. 48.1 42.9 X X 91.0
LEWIS, M. 2.9 22.3 30.2 24.8 80.2
OCTEUS, J X X X 50 50.0
DILLON, B. X X 8.7 32.9 41.6
CRUMP, T. X X 22.9 13.0 35.9
THOMPSON, PJ 12 12.0

 

[SnowLeopard]

Interesting!

I think the average over a career is more revealing than the cumulative total over a career.

The best seasons were Lewis Jackson's senior year, Willie Deane's senior year, Carson's junior year, then a three way tie between Porter Roberts senior year, LJ as a junior, and Willie Deane as a jr.

So it goes LJ, Willie, Porter, Carson.

On another note, PJ's unremarkable freshman season has precedents in the frosh seasons of Porter, Eldridge, McKnight, who all turned out to be pretty decent.

Below is the my efficiency numbers for everyone who's been primarily a ballhandler since 1992.


PLAYER FR SO JR SR CAREER
KRAMER, C. 37.5 47.1 44.3 45.1 174.0
JACKSON, L. 38.4 14.9 51.2 62.3 166.8
ROBERTS, P. 12.0 48.2 41.9 51.2 153.3
DEANE, W. X 34.9 51.2 54.0 140.1
CUNNINGHAM, C. X 15.3 51.9 49.0 116.2
ELDRIDGE, A. 6.2 30.8 47.2 31.4 115.6
PARKINSON, A. 21.2 40.1 14.6 36.8 112.7
MCKNIGHT, B. 4.2 26.7 36.5 43.1 110.5
JOHNSON, R. 48.1 42.9 X X 91.0
LEWIS, M. 2.9 22.3 30.2 24.8 80.2
OCTEUS, J X X X 50 50.0
DILLON, B. X X 8.7 32.9 41.6
CRUMP, T. X X 22.9 13.0 35.9
THOMPSON, PJ 12 12.0

 

[Grover]

In the Painter era..

1. LewJack
2. Grant
3. Octeus
4. Crump
5. Dillon
6. Barlow
7. RJ
8. Spates

 

[GemstateBoiler]

Interesting!

I think the average over a career is more revealing than the cumulative total over a career.

The best seasons were Lewis Jackson's senior year, Willie Deane's senior year, Carson's junior year, then a three way tie between Porter Roberts senior year, LJ as a junior, and Willie Deane as a jr.

So it goes LJ, Willie, Porter, Carson.

On another note, PJ's unremarkable freshman season has precedents in the frosh seasons of Porter, Eldridge, McKnight, who all turned out to be pretty decent.

You're right that PJ's performance last season was not "out of this world" but I thought he did pretty much what we asked of him in his role. At the end of the season he did okay. One thing good about freshmen is that they become sophomores.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

Below is the my efficiency numbers for everyone who's been primarily a ballhandler since 1992.


PLAYER FR SO JR SR CAREER
KRAMER, C. 37.5 47.1 44.3 45.1 174.0
JACKSON, L. 38.4 14.9 51.2 62.3 166.8
ROBERTS, P. 12.0 48.2 41.9 51.2 153.3
DEANE, W. X 34.9 51.2 54.0 140.1
CUNNINGHAM, C. X 15.3 51.9 49.0 116.2
ELDRIDGE, A. 6.2 30.8 47.2 31.4 115.6
PARKINSON, A. 21.2 40.1 14.6 36.8 112.7
MCKNIGHT, B. 4.2 26.7 36.5 43.1 110.5
JOHNSON, R. 48.1 42.9 X X 91.0
LEWIS, M. 2.9 22.3 30.2 24.8 80.2
OCTEUS, J X X X 50 50.0
DILLON, B. X X 8.7 32.9 41.6
CRUMP, T. X X 22.9 13.0 35.9
THOMPSON, PJ 12 12.0

I'm not sure what goes into these numbers, but since they are cumulative, the totals certainly favor four year players. Kramer wins by posting a solid total in all 4 years, even though his best total of 47.1 is middle of the pack. LewJack is hurt by his injury plagued sophomore year, but turns in a tremendous 62.3 as a senior (and he was great that year). Excluding fifth year transfer Octeus, Deane (no surprise) appears to lead in average per season, followed closely by RJ (which may be a surprise). PJ turns out the exact same number that Porter Roberts did as a freshman, for what it's worth.

Interesting data, but without knowing how it was calculated, it is difficult to draw any conclusions from it.

 

[njm8845]

The equation is as follows:

1.7*FG - .67*FGA + 1.2*FT - .8*FTA + .8*REB + 2.5*A - 1.5*TO - .5*FOUL + 2*BL + 1.5*STL + .5*PTS

Then the total is scaled so that a season's worth of data sets Big Dog's senior year equal to 100.

The shooting percentages are set up so that it's a penalty if a player shoots less than 67% for FT and 39% FG

I took bits from Hollinger's PER equation. If anybody wants the xls file, email me. njm8845@gmail.com

Based on stats alone, RJ was on pace to be the best PG in Purdue history. Unfortunately for Purdue, he probably made everybody else on the court worse.