Lois Lerner/IRS Scandal Is Broader Than Earlier Realized

[SDBoiler1]

So the Obama Administration was willing and able to break the law in order to get reelected, using the DOJ and FBI as instruments of its unseemly scheme? Appalling, but not surprising.

http://nypost.com/2015/07/07/the-irs-scandal-just-got-even-worse/

 

[TheCainer]

So the Obama Administration was willing and able to break the law in order to get reelected, using the DOJ and FBI as instruments of its unseemly scheme? Appalling, but not surprising.

http://nypost.com/2015/07/07/the-irs-scandal-just-got-even-worse/

You need to look at your calendar more closely. This isn't April 1st afterall.

http://crooksandliars.com/2015/07/if-its-july-its-faux-scandal-season


Hook. Line. And sinker.

Cue the Faux outrage.

 

[Purdue97]

You need to look at your calendar more closely. This isn't April 1st afterall.

http://crooksandliars.com/2015/07/if-its-july-its-faux-scandal-season


Hook. Line. And sinker.

Cue the Faux outrage.

Good article and a plausible explanation. That said, the first paragraph in that article is way off. I think, and imagine a lot of other Americans think that a server crashing and losing emails while an investigation is on, or a Secretary of State having a home server and her own lawyers deleting emails, and the other issues tied to these emails/govt electronics is an important issue.

 

[qazplm]

Good article and a plausible explanation. That said, the first paragraph in that article is way off. I think, and imagine a lot of other Americans think that a server crashing and losing emails while an investigation is on, or a Secretary of State having a home server and her own lawyers deleting emails, and the other issues tied to these emails/govt electronics is an important issue.

Can you show some polling that supports that proposition, that a lot of Americans think any of those things is an important issue? Those things being:

Clinton having a home server
Anything to do with the IRS "scandal"

Unless you define a lot of other Americans in a very generous manner.

 

[gr8indoorsman]

Can you show some polling that supports that proposition, that a lot of Americans think any of those things is an important issue? Those things being:

Clinton having a home server
Anything to do with the IRS "scandal"

Unless you define a lot of other Americans in a very generous manner.

As of two years ago, a lot of other Americans thought it was an important issue.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...special-prosecutor-to-investigate-irs-scandal

A new poll finds an overwhelming majority support appointing a special prosecutor to investigate the Internal Revenue Service’s (IRS) targeting of political groups.

A Quinnipiac University poll released on Thursday shows 76 percent want a special counsel to 17 percent opposing.

The idea has strong support across all parties, with 88 percent of Republicans, 63 percent of Democrats and 78 percent of independents calling for a special prosecutor.

“There is overwhelming bipartisan support for a special prosecutor to investigate the IRS," said Quinnipiac University Polling Institute Assistant Director Peter Brown in a statement. "Voters apparently don't like the idea of Attorney General Eric Holder investigating the matter himself, perhaps because they don't exactly think highly of him.”
Holder, who would appoint a special investigator, holds a negative 23 to 39 percent approval rating.

...

The poll also finds the public believes the IRS scandal is the “most important” of the trio of controversies facing the Obama administration.

Forty-four percent of registered voters said the agency’s use of higher scrutiny for Tea Party groups seeking tax exemption was the most worrisome. Twenty-four percent said the administration’s handling of the attack on the Benghazi, Libya diplomatic mission was the worst of the three, with 15 percent most concerned about the Justice Department’s seizure of reporters' phone and email records.

But a strong majority says the economy should be more of a priority than the three controversies by 73 to 22 percent.

In my opinion, this is not the type of thing we should just forget about because, well, you know... it's been a little while or there are bigger fish to fry. I mean, our government is big enough to handle a few things at one time.

 

[SDBoiler1]

As of two years ago, a lot of other Americans thought it was an important issue.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...special-prosecutor-to-investigate-irs-scandal

A new poll finds an overwhelming majority support appointing a special prosecutor to investigate the Internal Revenue Service’s (IRS) targeting of political groups.

A Quinnipiac University poll released on Thursday shows 76 percent want a special counsel to 17 percent opposing.

The idea has strong support across all parties, with 88 percent of Republicans, 63 percent of Democrats and 78 percent of independents calling for a special prosecutor.

“There is overwhelming bipartisan support for a special prosecutor to investigate the IRS," said Quinnipiac University Polling Institute Assistant Director Peter Brown in a statement. "Voters apparently don't like the idea of Attorney General Eric Holder investigating the matter himself, perhaps because they don't exactly think highly of him.”
Holder, who would appoint a special investigator, holds a negative 23 to 39 percent approval rating.

...

The poll also finds the public believes the IRS scandal is the “most important” of the trio of controversies facing the Obama administration.

Forty-four percent of registered voters said the agency’s use of higher scrutiny for Tea Party groups seeking tax exemption was the most worrisome. Twenty-four percent said the administration’s handling of the attack on the Benghazi, Libya diplomatic mission was the worst of the three, with 15 percent most concerned about the Justice Department’s seizure of reporters' phone and email records.

But a strong majority says the economy should be more of a priority than the three controversies by 73 to 22 percent.

In my opinion, this is not the type of thing we should just forget about because, well, you know... it's been a little while or there are bigger fish to fry. I mean, our government is big enough to handle a few things at one time.

gr8,

Oh no, you didn't! It'll be interesting to see qazplm try to tap dance around this.

qazplm and The Cainer,

You don't think this information is pertinent to someone who has aspirations of being President of the United States? Why have former Secretary Clinton and the Obama Administration worked so hard to try to stall the Congressional investigation into these matters, not supplying data in a forthcoming or honest way?

 

[threeeputtt]

So the Obama Administration was willing and able to break the law in order to get reelected, using the DOJ and FBI as instruments of its unseemly scheme? Appalling, but not surprising.

http://nypost.com/2015/07/07/the-irs-scandal-just-got-even-worse/

Laughable if this issue goes away. The obfuscation is obvious, those that dismiss it simply are political posturing. Most of you know competent IT people; ask them about backup tape and how easily they should have produced . They are there and simply not being delivered. There is something that someone wants hidden. We may never know. At the least it is every bit as bad as Watergate. I don't know how anyone can trust the IRS anymore.

 

[TheCainer]

As of two years ago, a lot of other Americans thought it was an important issue.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...special-prosecutor-to-investigate-irs-scandal

A new poll finds an overwhelming majority support appointing a special prosecutor to investigate the Internal Revenue Service’s (IRS) targeting of political groups.

A Quinnipiac University poll released on Thursday shows 76 percent want a special counsel to 17 percent opposing.

The idea has strong support across all parties, with 88 percent of Republicans, 63 percent of Democrats and 78 percent of independents calling for a special prosecutor.

“There is overwhelming bipartisan support for a special prosecutor to investigate the IRS," said Quinnipiac University Polling Institute Assistant Director Peter Brown in a statement. "Voters apparently don't like the idea of Attorney General Eric Holder investigating the matter himself, perhaps because they don't exactly think highly of him.”
Holder, who would appoint a special investigator, holds a negative 23 to 39 percent approval rating.

...

The poll also finds the public believes the IRS scandal is the “most important” of the trio of controversies facing the Obama administration.

Forty-four percent of registered voters said the agency’s use of higher scrutiny for Tea Party groups seeking tax exemption was the most worrisome. Twenty-four percent said the administration’s handling of the attack on the Benghazi, Libya diplomatic mission was the worst of the three, with 15 percent most concerned about the Justice Department’s seizure of reporters' phone and email records.

But a strong majority says the economy should be more of a priority than the three controversies by 73 to 22 percent.

In my opinion, this is not the type of thing we should just forget about because, well, you know... it's been a little while or there are bigger fish to fry. I mean, our government is big enough to handle a few things at one time.

As of two years ago? Shoot, the American electorate cannot focus on any given issue for more than a week.

And, given that there are bigger fish to fry, here's one. The American people say that America is ready for Socialism. At least as Bernie Sanders supports democratic socialism.

(This is an interesting read in how the electorate supports various ideologies

http://www.alternet.org/election-20...rities-back-bernie-sanders-issues-and-disdain

The following all received 70% support or more:

Allow Government to Negotiate Drug Prices (79%)
Give Students the Same Low Interest Rates as Big Banks (78%)
Universal Pre-Kindergarten (77%)
Fair Trade that Protect Workers, the Environment, and Jobs (75%)
End Tax Loopholes for Corporations that Ship Jobs Overseas (74%)
End Gerrymandering (73%)
Let Homeowners Pay Down Mortgage With 401k (72%)
Debt-Free College at All Public Universities (Message A) (71%)
Infrastructure Jobs Program — $400 Billion / Year (71%)
Require NSA to Get Warrants (71%)
Disclose Corporate Spending on Politics/Lobbying (71%)
Medicare Buy-In for All (71%)
Close Offshore Corporate Tax Loopholes (70%)
Green New Deal — Millions Of Clean-Energy Jobs (70%)
Full Employment Act (70%)
Expand Social Security Benefits (70%)

All of the above are in line with Bernie Sanders’ politics and all are extremely popular, with support across the political spectrum. For example, the infrastructure jobs program (a key element of Sanders’ platform) had 91% support from Democrats, 61% from independents and even 55% support from Republicans—compared to only 28% who were opposed. Donald Trump can only dream of being that popular among Republicans.


So, who here is with Bernie, especially since Hillary is a crook and a late comer to these kinds of ideas?

And, who here is opposed to these kinds of ideas?

 

[qazplm]

As of two years ago, a lot of other Americans thought it was an important issue.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...special-prosecutor-to-investigate-irs-scandal

A new poll finds an overwhelming majority support appointing a special prosecutor to investigate the Internal Revenue Service’s (IRS) targeting of political groups.

A Quinnipiac University poll released on Thursday shows 76 percent want a special counsel to 17 percent opposing.

The idea has strong support across all parties, with 88 percent of Republicans, 63 percent of Democrats and 78 percent of independents calling for a special prosecutor.

“There is overwhelming bipartisan support for a special prosecutor to investigate the IRS," said Quinnipiac University Polling Institute Assistant Director Peter Brown in a statement. "Voters apparently don't like the idea of Attorney General Eric Holder investigating the matter himself, perhaps because they don't exactly think highly of him.”
Holder, who would appoint a special investigator, holds a negative 23 to 39 percent approval rating.

...

The poll also finds the public believes the IRS scandal is the “most important” of the trio of controversies facing the Obama administration.

Forty-four percent of registered voters said the agency’s use of higher scrutiny for Tea Party groups seeking tax exemption was the most worrisome. Twenty-four percent said the administration’s handling of the attack on the Benghazi, Libya diplomatic mission was the worst of the three, with 15 percent most concerned about the Justice Department’s seizure of reporters' phone and email records.

But a strong majority says the economy should be more of a priority than the three controversies by 73 to 22 percent.

In my opinion, this is not the type of thing we should just forget about because, well, you know... it's been a little while or there are bigger fish to fry. I mean, our government is big enough to handle a few things at one time.

yes...TWO years ago, when this "scandal" was in the news. Now?

You've got to be kidding me.

Only a few folks, almost all on the right side of the spectrum still think this is a big deal. I know some want it to be a big deal, wish it were, but it isn't. The average voter couldn't tell you who Lois Lerner is much less care, nor will it have one iota of impact on the election. The Hillary having an email server will be in the same place this time next year, no one will care, except those who wish it were impactful...it won't be.

 

[qazplm]

As of two years ago? Shoot, the American electorate cannot focus on any given issue for more than a week.

And, given that there are bigger fish to fry, here's one. The American people say that America is ready for Socialism. At least as Bernie Sanders supports democratic socialism.

(This is an interesting read in how the electorate supports various ideologies

http://www.alternet.org/election-20...rities-back-bernie-sanders-issues-and-disdain

The following all received 70% support or more:

Allow Government to Negotiate Drug Prices (79%)
Give Students the Same Low Interest Rates as Big Banks (78%)
Universal Pre-Kindergarten (77%)
Fair Trade that Protect Workers, the Environment, and Jobs (75%)
End Tax Loopholes for Corporations that Ship Jobs Overseas (74%)
End Gerrymandering (73%)
Let Homeowners Pay Down Mortgage With 401k (72%)
Debt-Free College at All Public Universities (Message A) (71%)
Infrastructure Jobs Program — $400 Billion / Year (71%)
Require NSA to Get Warrants (71%)
Disclose Corporate Spending on Politics/Lobbying (71%)
Medicare Buy-In for All (71%)
Close Offshore Corporate Tax Loopholes (70%)
Green New Deal — Millions Of Clean-Energy Jobs (70%)
Full Employment Act (70%)
Expand Social Security Benefits (70%)

All of the above are in line with Bernie Sanders’ politics and all are extremely popular, with support across the political spectrum. For example, the infrastructure jobs program (a key element of Sanders’ platform) had 91% support from Democrats, 61% from independents and even 55% support from Republicans—compared to only 28% who were opposed. Donald Trump can only dream of being that popular among Republicans.


So, who here is with Bernie, especially since Hillary is a crook and a late comer to these kinds of ideas?

And, who here is opposed to these kinds of ideas?

Bernie can't win. He won't beat Hillary, and he would stand a large chance of losing to any of the Republican clown car. Yes, individually those ideas are all popular, just like individually the parts of Obamacare are popular, but collectively it gets spun into a negative...and "socialist" will be used to bludgeon Sanders in a general election.

 

[gr8indoorsman]

Yes, let the decay of time sweep things under the rug. Good call. Just what your government was hoping for.

 

[threeeputtt]

Yes, let the decay of time sweep things under the rug. Good call. Just what your government was hoping for.

El Chapo won't like this but, the USA acts more like Mexico everyday with the $$$ going to BOTH parties and everyone in between. No one cares anymore unless it helps or hurts them. In between it is crickets.

 

[Purdue97]

Well Qaz, to answer your question, I did not have all the stats that gr8 had. That said, I did base that comment on her recent numbers that took a bit of a hit and a majority that said they do not trust her.

Will they become a big or bigger deal? Or even stay a big deal? Who knows? There is a lot of political season left before the primaries, before the general election, and there are some big items in the news right now. It might get swept under the rug. One the other hand, something could come pretty big of it as well as more information is found out/emails found/etc

 

[Purdue97]

As of two years ago? Shoot, the American electorate cannot focus on any given issue for more than a week.

And, given that there are bigger fish to fry, here's one. The American people say that America is ready for Socialism. At least as Bernie Sanders supports democratic socialism.

(This is an interesting read in how the electorate supports various ideologies

http://www.alternet.org/election-20...rities-back-bernie-sanders-issues-and-disdain

The following all received 70% support or more:

Allow Government to Negotiate Drug Prices (79%)
Give Students the Same Low Interest Rates as Big Banks (78%)
Universal Pre-Kindergarten (77%)
Fair Trade that Protect Workers, the Environment, and Jobs (75%)
End Tax Loopholes for Corporations that Ship Jobs Overseas (74%)
End Gerrymandering (73%)
Let Homeowners Pay Down Mortgage With 401k (72%)
Debt-Free College at All Public Universities (Message A) (71%)
Infrastructure Jobs Program — $400 Billion / Year (71%)
Require NSA to Get Warrants (71%)
Disclose Corporate Spending on Politics/Lobbying (71%)
Medicare Buy-In for All (71%)
Close Offshore Corporate Tax Loopholes (70%)
Green New Deal — Millions Of Clean-Energy Jobs (70%)
Full Employment Act (70%)
Expand Social Security Benefits (70%)

All of the above are in line with Bernie Sanders’ politics and all are extremely popular, with support across the political spectrum. For example, the infrastructure jobs program (a key element of Sanders’ platform) had 91% support from Democrats, 61% from independents and even 55% support from Republicans—compared to only 28% who were opposed. Donald Trump can only dream of being that popular among Republicans.


So, who here is with Bernie, especially since Hillary is a crook and a late comer to these kinds of ideas?

And, who here is opposed to these kinds of ideas?

I am not going to go through them one by one, but in general, people like them until:
-They have to be paid for(read:higher taxes)
-It hurts the political party they associate themselves with
-They have to pay more for products at stores
-They find out govt health care is not that great
-They find out an infra structure bill or green energy bill with "shovel ready jobs" is anything but that

In theory a lot of good ideas. In reality, not sure people will/want to pay for it.

 

[qazplm]

Well Qaz, to answer your question, I did not have all the stats that gr8 had. That said, I did base that comment on her recent numbers that took a bit of a hit and a majority that said they do not trust her.

Will they become a big or bigger deal? Or even stay a big deal? Who knows? There is a lot of political season left before the primaries, before the general election, and there are some big items in the news right now. It might get swept under the rug. One the other hand, something could come pretty big of it as well as more information is found out/emails found/etc

The stats Gr8 had were two years old.

No, Lois Lerner will not be a big deal. No, her having an email server will not be a big deal. No, no huge scandal will erupt. Not Benghazi, not emails, none of it.

People have had trust issues with Hillary since she was First Lady. Part of that is because she's been more consistently attacked for going on 20 years now than just about any other politician. Everything from accusing her of Vince Foster's murder to arguing that Bill Clinton is not the father of Chelsea to her being a secret lesbian. That stuff builds up combined with the fair criticisms of her, and being non-stop over the course of now three decades, it takes it's toll.

She STILL beats every single candidate on both sides of the aisle when folks ask who they plan on voting for. So that tells me the trust issue aint THAT big of a deal.
Nothing is going to come out. If she loses in the primaries or GE, it will probably be because she's a pretty piss-poor campaigner IMO. A smarter campaign would have beat Obama in 08 but Obama's team understood how to count votes in the primaries at a basic level that Hillary's team did not, which is quite frankly an amazing screw-up. I'm hopeful she has better campaign advisers, and she's quietly hired many of the folks who ran Obama's campaigns...so she may.