You can disagree with me all you want, as well as call me unbearable, but facts don’t care about your feelings.
IT isn’t going to crack the rotation as an underclassmen unless out of necessity.
Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
You can disagree with me all you want, as well as call me unbearable, but facts don’t care about your feelings.
IT isn’t going to crack the rotation as an underclassmen unless out of necessity.
I know exactly what it means and the context was used properly. The only way IT is playing major minutes as a freshman is if Carsen and Eastern are no longer around, Newman commits elsewhere and Painter doesn’t have an emergency back up plan (ie grad transfer). In that scenario we are probably looking at some pretty grim days ahead with IT being forced to take on a major role before he’s ready because he’s the only other option, aka playing out of necessity.
Other programs knew about his brother and how much Isaiah had been around the program. It didn't matter if he had an offer or not, it was early, and they knew they were battling from behind. Yeah, when you coach in the Big Ten, you recruit good players and sometimes they play similar positions. Shocking, I know. Tyger and Phinisee would have provided depth at point guard this season. That's why those players were somewhat important, because it helped with this season. Their recruitments had nothing to do with Isaiah. He offered Thompson after Phinisee decided because they are in different classes. Obviously you are going to focus a little more on the 2018 guy before the 2019. That's how recruiting works. Francis was a national recruit, so I'm not sure I see your point in how offering Thompson after Francis committed to UNC is any big deal.How can you be a hard Purdue lean when you don’t have an offer from Purdue? Painter offered Jeremiah Francis and Phinisee in the class above and only offered IT after those guys committed elsewhere? He was offered in September of 2017 and committed in January. And he still recruited Tyger as well as two other guards in his same class. Nobody else (except Miami OH and Butler) ever offered IT up until 2017. I know what you told me above, but just because you told me told me doesn’t make it right.
Newman and Thompson play different positions. Newman's recruitment has no impact on his playing time. I see Thompson playing 10-12 minutes as a frosh behind Nojel. If Carsen stays, he will redshirt to put on strength.I know exactly what it means and the context was used properly. The only way IT is playing major minutes as a freshman is if Carsen and Eastern are no longer around, Newman commits elsewhere and Painter doesn’t have an emergency back up plan (ie grad transfer). In that scenario we are probably looking at some pretty grim days ahead anyway with IT being forced to take on a major role before he’s ready because he’s the only other option, aka playing out of necessity.
Other programs knew about his brother and how much Isaiah had been around the program. It didn't matter if he had an offer or not, it was early, and they knew they were battling from behind. Yeah, when you coach in the Big Ten, you recruit good players and sometimes they play similar positions. Shocking, I know. Tyger and Phinisee would have provided depth at point guard this season. That's why those players were somewhat important, because it helped with this season. Their recruitments had nothing to do with Isaiah. He offered Thompson after Phinisee decided because they are in different classes. Obviously you are going to focus a little more on the 2018 guy before the 2019. That's how recruiting works. Francis was a national recruit, so I'm not sure I see your point in how offering Thompson after Francis committed to UNC is any big deal.
Newman and Thompson play different positions. Newman's recruitment has no impact on his playing time. I see Thompson playing 10-12 minutes as a frosh behind Nojel. If Carsen stays, he will redshirt to put on strength.
So you're changing how you said it, because earlier you said "Isaiah isn't going to crack the rotation as an underclassmen unless out of necessity." You said that's a fact. It's not. It's an opinion. Learn what fact means. But that's very different from saying he likely won't be getting major minutes as a freshman.I know exactly what it means and the context was used properly. The only way IT is playing major minutes as a freshman is if Carsen and Eastern are no longer around, Newman commits elsewhere and Painter doesn’t have an emergency back up plan (ie grad transfer).
So you're changing how you said it, because earlier you said "Isaiah isn't going to crack the rotation as an underclassmen unless out of necessity." You said that's a fact. It's not. It's an opinion. Learn what fact means. But that's very different from saying he likely won't be getting major minutes as a freshman.
Based on what? He is a shooting guard. An elite shooter who is not a great ball-handler. Nothing about his game right now says he can fill in at PG as a freshman, and I doubt he will play point any point in his career. That's not who he is. He's a great player, and I hope we get him. But just because he's highly ranked doesn't mean he can play PG.Newman can absolutely play 8-10 mpg at PG as a freshman need be.
He's not going to start in front of Nojel, you're right. But he'll be contributing at some point as an underclassmen.Because Eastern isn’t going anywhere. Mgk started this nonsense by saying IT was going to start all 4 years. And he didn’t claim IT was only going to start out of necessity, he claimed IT was going to start because as a freshman he’d be capable, something I vehemently disagree with. Sure, there is a scenario(s) where IT starts as a freshman, but none of those have happy endings.
Who knows what would have happened. Also, I'd say Jaelin Llewellyn was much more of a priority than Phinisee. Phinisee never wanted to come to Purdue. I know one thing, I'm happy we got the guard who can shoot over one who can't.This isn’t registering with you. Had Francis, or Phinisee for that matter committed to Purdue, I’m not convinced that Painter offers IT at the juncture he did and that’s because you would have Eastern (2017) and Phinisee/Francis (2018) all playing PG. But because Painter missed out on his top two PG recruits for 2018, it now then made some sense to finally offer IT, who wasn’t being recruited by anyone else
This isn’t registering with you. Had Francis, or Phinisee for that matter committed to Purdue, I’m not convinced that Painter offers IT at the juncture he did and that’s because you would have Eastern (2017) and Phinisee/Francis (2018) all playing PG. But because Painter missed out on his top two PG recruits for 2018, it now then made some sense to finally offer IT, who wasn’t being recruited by anyone else. The fact that Painter started recruiting Tyger once he re-classified (and after IT was already committed) as well as two more guards in the 2019 class (Franklin and Newman) whom Painter both wanted, just goes to show you he likely didn’t plan on using IT much as an underclassmen. Now if he keeps on whiffing on some high priority guards (Tyger/Franklin/possibly Newman) IT could end up playing a lot, but it won’t be by design. Hope that clears things up.
He isn't wrong on this. Phinisee was a known IU lean under Crean and when Archie made his first visit as an IU coach to Phinisee with his then HC at McCutcheon....it was a lock. Everyone with any knowledge knew that about Phinisee. As a local kid, I hope he does very well....except when he plays Purdue. In that instance, I hope he misses every single shot and goes 0'fer against Purdue over his career.Just letting you know you are wrong on this.
And again, people who still don't understand the way CMP schemes and plays the game is astounding. In Painter's most successful season, he has been able to play the 1-3 interchangeably in terms of defense. On the offensive side, the 1-3 in a motion style offense is more about getting the match-up that you believe you have an advantage in through the work of the offense. If they believe Carsen has an advantage straight up, then he'll likely bring the ball up more often than not...BUT if they need to get him off screens and get a switch (or some one else for that matter), they'll work the offense more and more.There was no competition at PG when PJ was here. PJ had to start as a sophomore because we had no one else. Nojel will be the starter during IT's first two years here.
What does any of that have to do with the PG depth when PJ was starting as a sophomore? I'm well aware that being a PG at Purdue has little to no meaning. It still stands that IT will not be able to start over Nojel and Hunter at the guard position his first two years at Purdue.And again, people who still don't understand the way CMP schemes and plays the game is astounding. In Painter's most successful season, he has been able to play the 1-3 interchangeably in terms of defense. On the offensive side, the 1-3 in a motion style offense is more about getting the match-up that you believe you have an advantage in through the work of the offense. If they believe Carsen has an advantage straight up, then he'll likely bring the ball up more often than not...BUT if they need to get him off screens and get a switch (or some one else for that matter), they'll work the offense more and more.
That concept is obvious when you listen to CMP's radio shows when he says things like...'I would rather the guys pass up a good shot 10 seconds in to the shot clock to get a great shot later on.' A great shot could mean a matchup where a poor defender is having to guard Carsen or Nojel, especially if they have to defend the dribble drive. It could mean getting a poor close-out defender on Cline so he can hit a three off a screen.
The interesting aspect will be CMP's obvious switch to a more position-less idea for the 1-4 while having some athletic bigs who can defend the paint, rebound, and boost the overall athleticism.
What does any of that have to do with the PG depth when PJ was starting as a sophomore? I'm well aware that being a PG at Purdue has little to no meaning. It still stands that IT will not be able to start over Nojel and Hunter at the guard position his first two years at Purdue.
Take it FWIW, but Newman isn't as big a lean as was previously thought.Trust me, I agree with you. Add in that Purdue is probably going to land Brandon Newman and then with Wheeler who can play the 3 as well as the 4, it could potentially steer Painter away from his traditional 3 guard lineup and implement a longer, more athletic lineup that just takes more guard minutes from IT. Hall is also definitely in play as well who can also play the 3 or 4. I think IT will exclusively be Eastern's backup as a freshman and play anywhere from 8-12 mpg, depending on how many quality minutes Eastern can go.
Don't we go over this every year? Freshmen struggle! Freshmen are never as good as they will be the year after and so on. I consider it a fact after watching and hoping that an incoming freshman can come and prove me wrong so many times.
Don't we go over this every year? Freshmen struggle! Freshmen are never as good as they will be the year after and so on. I consider it a fact after watching and hoping that an incoming freshman can come and prove me wrong so many times.
Romeo will be good this year just due to the amount of attempts he will allowed to take. I don’t think he will be as good as IU fans seem to believe, such as top 10 player in the league, but he will be good and yes, even as a freshman.I agree with your point, and it was a huge factor in all of the facts based points I laid out why Romeo Langford will not be as good as expected, but Vince was a freshman under Painter who was really good. AJ Hammons was really good as a freshman. Robbie Hummel was really good as a freshman. Etwaun Moore was really good as a freshman.
Even Ryan Cline came in and shot 39% from 3 on over 3 attempts per game as a freshman, which is pretty much all that was expected from him offensively as a freshman. If you remember, he basically won the game at Pitt his freshman year by shooting Purdue to victory late. So while he wasnt a total game changer, he filled a role.
And then of course HAARMS last year. Was elite defensively and paired that with a TS % of .586 and an ORtg of 111.9 on the offensive.
Nojel Eastern was a terrific defender and rebounder as a freshman.
So theres some good examples of freshman being good right away under Matt Painter. Often times, freshman arent able to put it all together and focus on one facet of the game to contribute while theyre getting acclimated to college basketball. Clines shooting, Easterns defense, etc.
Romeo will be good this year just due to the amount of attempts he will allowed to take. I don’t think he will be as good as IU fans seem to believe, such as top 10 player in the league, but he will be good and yes, even as a freshman.
Nonsense. Offering other players "just reaffirms that IT won't crack the rotation"? You obviously come up with this stuff on your own. You seem unable to comprehend the difference between fact and opinion when it comes to projecting future events.The fact Painter wanted both Newman and Franklin in the same class (who he also offered after Phinisee committed) just reaffirms that IT isn’t going to crack the rotation as an underclassmen unless out of necessity. You can disagree with me all you want, as well as call me unbearable, but facts don’t care about your feelings. IT had two scholarship offers up until Purdue offered in September 2017.
Yeah I agree, Ibe been saying as much for months now. I would be shocked if Romeo is completely terrible. I think he will be a decent freshman as well. I think hes drawing dead to be an all conference player and its not even realistic to include him in PoTY discussions, and Ive already covered why ad nasuem.
If I had to guess, I would say his freshman stats will closely enough resemble Carsens.
Carsen was 10.3 ppg
1.8 assists / 1.8 turnovers
.486 TS %
34% from 3
74% FT
2.1 Box +/-
1.9 win shares
Those seem like as good as guesses as possible for Romeo IMO, give or take.
You’re assuming Romeo is going to have the exact usage as freshman Carsen though, that isn’t the case. Carsen Edwards played with an AA Swanigan, Vince Edwards, and Haas who commanded a bunch of touches while he was in the game. Romeo will have double the usage of Carsen, even with Juwan Morgan on the court. The offense is going to go through Romeo. Archie’s offense revolves around driving and cutting. Carsen as a freshman played in an offense that went inside out. Romeo by design is going to be taking 14-15 shots a game and that’s not including FT’s for a guy who can get to the hole. Even if Romeo only shoots 40-45% from the field, he’s still going to average at minimum 14-15ppg, and that’s purely by design. I think at minimum you’ll see at stat line of
15ppg
2.5asst/2.0TO
35% from 3
70% on FT with 6-7 attempts a game.
You’re assuming Romeo is going to have the exact usage as freshman Carsen though, that isn’t the case. Carsen Edwards played with an AA Swanigan, Vince Edwards, and Haas who commanded a bunch of touches while he was in the game. Romeo will have double the usage of Carsen, even with Juwan Morgan on the court. The offense is going to go through Romeo. Archie’s offense revolves around driving and cutting. Carsen as a freshman played in an offense that went inside out. Romeo by design is going to be taking 14-15 shots a game and that’s not including FT’s for a guy who can get to the hole. Even if Romeo only shoots 40-45% from the field, he’s still going to average at minimum 14-15ppg, and that’s purely by design. I think at minimum you’ll see at stat line of
15ppg
2.5asst/2.0TO
35% from 3
70% on FT with 6-7 attempts a game.
Just so we are clear
Carsen Edwarda used 26.8%( https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/carsen-edwards-1.html ) of the possessions his freshman year. You are not only predicting Romeo Langford will use more than that, which is highly unlikely in and of itself, you're predicting he shatters the all time college basketball usage record by doubling that and using over 53% of Indianas possessions while hes on the court?
Even Trae Young, who was Oklahomas entire offense, only had a usage rate of 37.1.
Lol
Juwan is going to love this...…….
Juwan Morgan is going to be the biggest beneficiary of having a dominant guard like Romeo. Lots of PnR and dump offs at the rim. Ask DJ White whether or not he loved playing with Eric Gordon.
Who is DJ White?
Now since you're such a big IU fan and a little nostradamus. Preach to another board how good IU is and how Romeo will be the next great in the B1G! Bye, Felicia!2008 B10 POY and first round draft pick. Shorter version of JaJuan Johnson (imo).
Now since you're such a big IU fan and a little nostradamus. Preach to another board how good IU is and how Romeo will be the next great in the B1G! Bye, Felicia!
Wasn't DJ White that slow fat kid that played for IU a few years back.?